Zions New Children

eclipsenow · Tuesday at 8:35 PM

keras said:
What I do is post the unfulfilled Prophesies.

No - as my other brother in Christ above has pointed out - what you do is pluck them out of context and make them say whatever you want.

Then you just assume some sort of silly superior spiritual guru vibe - and talk down to the rest of us without justifying why you cannot EVER READ IN CONTEXT!

keras said:
I believe God wants us to know about His plans...

Here we go again!

It's like we're won a fantastic world tour, all expenses paid, all food and clothes and medical provided. We don't even have to pack. We know it's soon, but we don't know exactly when. It's a surprise. The brochure has some glossy images and vague hints. But it's a surprise. The tour guide said it is!

But you've got anxiety. All because you don't believe the tour guide when he said it was a SURPRISE! You trust that the tour guide is good - but you've got some awful anxiety that you're going to get left behind or get anxiety if you cannot guess all the details beforehand. It's driven you manic. You're trying so hard to guess what's happening and when, that you've basically scribbled all over the brochure with a huge marker pen and dropped it in the mud and then cut patches out of it and rearranged them in weird story-boards of your own imagination.

Several of your guesses have come and gone to no effect.
We're trying to tell you to calm down - because you're making a fool of yourself and of the whole business really.

It will happen when it happens.
It's important that you relax.
The tour business is a family business, and the reputation of that family matters!
Because it's our family. The tour guide is our Father!
We are his children!
And there's an offer for more people to come with us.
But we are worried that your manic behaviour and false guesses and all that are putting people off.

Relax. He is our Father. He will not leave us behind just because we cannot guess a date.

keras · Tuesday at 10:43 PM

eclipsenow said:
Relax. He is our Father. He will not leave us behind

I am not going to leave this earth. Alive or dead. Those who think they will, are hopelessly confused and deceived

eclipsenow said:
It's important that you relax.

What would have happened to Ezekiel 2:18-21, if he had relaxed?

I post verses in their proper context. You may disagree, but you cannot prove me wrong, as the events Prophesied are yet to happen.

Here is a list of verses, all in the context of the faithful Chrisian peoples going to live in Zion, in all of the Holy Land:

Isaiah 35:10 The Lord’s people, set free, will enter Zion with shouts of triumph… Gladness and joy will come upon them, while suffering and sorrow will pass away.

Psalms 149:4-5 For the Lord accepts the service of His people and crowns the lowly with victory. Let His loyal servants exult in triumph!

Jeremiah 33:6 & 25 I shall restore the Land, My people will live there. They will shout: Praise the Lord of Hosts, for He is good and His love endured forever.
Psalms 69:36 Those who serve the Lord and love His Name, will inherit the Land.

Psalms 37:9 Those who trust in the Lord, will inherit the Land.

Isaiah 57:13b but, he who makes Me his refuge, will possess the Land.

Psalms 85:9 Certainly, His loyal followers will soon experience His deliverance, then glory will appear in our Land.

Isaiah 61:3-6 My righteous people, planted in the Lord’s holy Land, to display His glory.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the humble, for they will inherit the Land.

Isaiah 29:19-22 The lowly and poor will once again rejoice in the Lord, sinners will be cut down.

Jeremiah 12:14-15 The Lord says: I shall uproot those evil people who occupy My holy Land…. Judah may come back only if they learn the ways of My [Christian] people.

Isaiah 32:15-20 The Land has been [will be] made forsaken and desolated….but in a very short time, it will become a garden Land, where My people will dwell in peace.

Zechariah 9:16 The Lord will save His people like a flock, for they are like precious jewels, that sparkle all about His Land.

Jeremiah 23:3-4 I will bring My sheep back to the Land, they will increase and be fruitful. I shall appoint shepherds who will tend them, they will live in peace.

John 10:16 There are other sheep of Mine, not of this fold. I will lead them, they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock, one Shepherd.

Ezekiel 34:11-31….You are My flock, the sheep that I feed and I am your God…

Isaiah 66:18b-21 I will gather My people from every race, nation and language. They will come on every type of conveyance, as an offering to the Lord in Zion.

Psalm 107:1-3 & 36-38 Let those redeemed by the Lord, give thanks. All of His righteous people, gathered from around the world. They are blessed with peace and prosperity.

Psalms 147:12-20 The Lord has brought peace and plenty to His Land. Praise the Lord!
Reference: REB. Some verses abridged

eclipsenow · Wednesday at 12:49 AM

keras said:
I am not going to leave this earth. Alive or dead. Those who think they will, are hopelessly confused and deceived

What would have happened to Ezekiel 2:18-21, if he had relaxed?

Ha ha ha.

You're Ezekiel now are you?
That important?
Oh man - you're you still aren't you?
Even after 5 years and at least 4 huge interpretive, predictive blunders - and you're still the same.

Oh by the way - so MANY of the verses you quoted have already been fulfilled when Israel went back under Persia.
No really. No matter how many times you insist they weren't - they were.

I'll let you in on something.

People get bored of being spoken down to by a guy with basic comprehension issues.
By a guy that thumped his tub over all this stuff - arrogantly and insistently and with total certainty!
But... then... time... passed.

According to you there should have been a 2012 event, a United Muslim Holy War from the Gaza war, something in December, and a temple in Israel RIGHT NOW so the AOD could happen in the next 30 days or so in Israel!

What's that old saying?

"Negative attention is better than no attention."

Or "Don't feed the troll! The troll likes it, and you just get dirty."

You'll never see reason. There's something wired a bit funny. I'll leave you to it.

keras · Wednesday at 2:08 AM

eclipsenow said:
I'll leave you to it.

PTL for that! Stick to your word and when things do happen as the Prophets say, you won't be in too deep a hole of confused error.

eclipsenow said:
MANY of the verses you quoted have already been fulfilled when Israel went back under Persia.

I do not consider any of the verses in #222 as being fulfilled when Judah returned to the Holy Land. They only ever returned to just a part of it, just a small fraction, as what they have today.
Like most people, you fall to make allowance for the House of Israel, the people Jesus came to save and who are still scattered among the nations.

Strong in Him · Wednesday at 4:00 PM

keras said:
I am not going to leave this earth. Alive or dead.

Oh, no; you're going to Jerusalem when you're 120 to build the Temple, aren't you?

It was you who told me that any of us can die at any time.
That is quite true - I've known a few Christians who've gone to bed with plans for serving the Lord the next day, and not woken up again. "live each day as though it were your last" might sound like a modern slogan but it affirms what Jesus taught - be ready.

keras · Wednesday at 5:19 PM

Strong in Him said:
you're going to Jerusalem when you're 120 to build the Temple, aren't you?

I expect to see you there, come and sit under my vines and fig trees. Zechariah 3:10

Strong in Him · Wednesday at 5:21 PM

keras said:
I expect to see you there, come and sit under my vines and fig trees. Zechariah 3:10

I'll pass, thank you.

keras · Wednesday at 9:20 PM

Strong in Him said:
I'll pass, thank you.

But Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 both show how Gods Holy people are present in the holy Land.
Do you disagree with Isaiah 43:5-7? It says that everyone who bears My Name, will come from every place on earth, soon after the disaster referred to in Isaiah 43:2 and in over 100 other Prophesies. The #222 verses prove they gather into all of the Holy Land. They: we are there in Revelation 7:9.

If you do not go there, then you will be part of the Anti-Christs kingdom.

Strong in Him · 2026-01-01T02:04:33-0600

keras said:
But Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 both show how Gods Holy people are present in the holy Land.

Well if the Lord tells me that he wants me to go/move to Israel, I will.

keras said:
Do you disagree with Isaiah 43:5-7? It says that everyone who bears My Name, will come from every place on earth,

No, it doesn't.
Read the beginning of Isaiah 43 and not just the verse which you think proves your point;

But now, this is what the Lord says—
he who created you, Jacob,
he who formed you, Israel:

Isaiah is not writing to Christians, and neither Jesus, nor the Apostles, taught that he was. Neither did they say that Christians will one day move to the Holy Land.

keras said:
soon after the disaster referred to in Isaiah 43:2

Isaiah 43:2 is not speaking of a disaster. It says that when the Israelites walked through rivers or faced fiery flames the Lord would be with them. I.e. God would be with them in suffering and difficult times. They would not be overwhelming, or evidence that God had left them.

If you are taking this verse to mean that there will be a worldwide disaster in the future, you are reading int the text.

keras said:
If you do not go there, then you will be part of the Anti-Christs kingdom.

Nonsense.
As I said, if the Lord tells me/leads me to go there, I will.
But I belong to Jesus; I am his child and live IN him. He has said that nothing can separate me from his love nor snatch him from his hand.
The geographic piece of land I live on can't, and won't, change that.

keras · 2026-01-01T13:12:18-0600

Strong in Him said:
Isaiah is not writing to Christians, and neither Jesus, nor the Apostles, taught that he was.

This is an incredible statement.
You basically, make the Old Testament and much of the New, into stories that don't have any relevance to us today.
WE Christians are the children of the Patriarchs, by our faith, Galatians 3:26-29
It is very unfortunate how people revere the current Jewish State of Israel. Get this; they have simply usurped the name of Israel, which they have no ethnic or historical right to use. Judah was a part of original Israel, but at their separation in King Rehoboam's time, they became the House of Judah.
Now, it seems you and many do not see the many Prophesies that tell of the virtual demise of Judah. Only a remnant will survive, Romans 9:27, and they will join with their Christian brethren in Zion. Jeremiah 50:4-5

Strong in Him said:
If you are taking this verse to mean that there will be a worldwide disaster in the future, you are reading int the text.

Isaiah 43:2 does refer to an actual fire and other disasters, all as vividly described in over 100 other Prophesies. 2 Peter 3:7

Strong in Him said:
As I said, if the Lord tells me/leads me to go there, I will.

There will be transport; Psalms 107 and Isaiah 66:18b-21

Psalms 68:1-35 1-4 May God arise and His enemies be scattered. You disperse them like smoke. The wicked perish at the presence of God, but the righteous are joyful.
Sing the praises of God, extol Him who reigns in Heaven.

5-6 He is a father to the fatherless and friendless. He leads the prisoners to safety, but the rebels remain in the desert.

7-10 God of Israel, You lead Your people through the desert, then rain poured from the heavens, plenteous rain to restore Your Land. There Your people settled, in Your goodness, You provide for the poor.

11-12 The Lord speaks the word and great is the company of women who proclaim it.
Kings and armies flee in haste, while their spoil is divided among Your people.

15-16 The mountains of Bashan [Golan/Syria] gaze in envy at the mountain where the Lord will dwell forever.

17-18 There were thousands of chariots when the Lord came from Sinai to His sanctuary. When You came to Your dwelling place, You brought the captives and received tribute.

19-23 The Lord our saviour bears our burdens, only through Him can we escape death.
Surely God will smite those proud sinners. The Lord says; I will bring My enemies from Bashan and the depths of the sea. Their blood will pour out.

24-27 Your procession came into view, into the Sanctuary – singers, then musicians. Praise God in the great congregation, the assembly of Israel. There is Benjamin in the lead, then Judah, Zebulon and Naphtali.

28-31 God, set Your might to work, for Your honour rebuke those wild beasts of nations who delight in war. Egypt and Cush will submit to God.

32-35 Give praise to God all you peoples of the world. Awesome is God in His sanctuary. He is Israel’s God and He gives power and strength to His people.
Reference; Revised English Bible, verses abridged.

Some parts of this prophecy have been partially fulfilled, but most remain for completion at the end times.
This Psalm tells the story of God’s judgement on His enemies how the Land is restored and His people, every faithful Christian; the Israelites of God, are settled permanently there.

Points to note are;
Verse 2 - God will destroy His enemies “like smoke and melt like wax”

Verse 6 – He leads His people to safety while the rebels remain in the desert. This did happen at the Exodus, but Ezekiel 20:34-36 describes the Second Exodus - Isaiah 11:11

Verse 8-9 Heavy rain to restore the Land. Did not happen at the 1st Exodus, but will be necessary at the next, in order to regenerate the Land.

Verse 10 Your people: the Christian Israelites, settled and provided for in the Promised Land.

Verse 11 The REBible says: it is the women who proclaim the good news.

Verse 17 Thousands of chariots? This will be all the vehicles left in the Mid East after the Lords Day of vengeance and fiery wrath.

Verse 19-20 Only by believing and trusting in the Lord, can we be saved.

Verse 24-27 All the Lord’s holy people, divided into 12 groups; praise the Lord in a great congregation.

Strong in Him · 2026-01-02T03:12:42-0600

keras said:
This is an incredible statement.
You basically, make the Old Testament and much of the New, into stories that don't have any relevance to us today.

Nonsense.
We can all learn from stories, testimonies and incidents that happened to others. It doesn't mean that the words spoken to, and by, them apply to us also. We can learn from the story of Noah; it doesn't mean we have to go out and build a huge ark because he was told to. We don't have to disobey God, go out to sea and get swallowed by a great fish before we learn obedience, as Jonah did.

But OT prophets were called with a message for a specific group of people. Who was Isaiah called to speak to? Why was he called to proclaim that message?
His words were spoken before they were written down; what would the people who heard them have understood him to mean?
Who were the words in Isaiah 43:1 addressed to?
What did God mean in verse 3 when he said, "I will give Egypt for your ransom, Cush and Seba in your stead"? What about verse 4, "I will give people in exchange for you; nations in exchange for your life"? That's not written TO us. One person gave his life for me; Jesus. No nation ever has, or ever will be, sacrificed so that I can come to God.
Verse 22 says, "But you have not called on me, Jacob, you have not wearied yourselves for me, Israel." Verses 23 says that they have not brought God any sheep for burnt offerings or honoured him with sacrifices. Were they written TO us; are we Jacob and Israel? When was the last time you made a burnt offering to the Lord as described in Leviticus 1?

So in this context, why have you suddenly decided that verses 5-7 are to, and about, us?

keras said:
WE Christians are the children of the Patriarchs, by our faith, Galatians 3:26-29

Yet we do not offer animal sacrifices as the Israelites did - Jesus is the once and for all sacrifice for sin.
We don't go to the Temple to keep feasts, as they did. There is no Jewish Temple and we are temples - of the Holy Spirit.
We don't - generally - keep all their food and hygiene laws, though there might be a few Christians who try to.
So why would you assume that all the words written to the Israelites apply to us, too?
Some do. Isaiah 43:1 says that God has redeemed them and called them by name. Can we say that too? Yes, we have been redeemed by Jesus who gave his life as a ransom for us, Mark 10:45. And we are told that the Good Shepherd knows his sheep and calls them by name, John 10:3.
But why have you decided that God's words in verses 5-7 are about us and, what's more, would be seen in your lifetime? That when God said that he would reunite his people in their land, that means that, a few thousand years later all Christians would be sent to Israel?

keras said:
Isaiah 43:2 does refer to an actual fire

It doesn't say it is an actual, literal fire.
We may talk, today, about going through a "fiery ordeal", a "baptism of fire", or being "in the hot seat" - it doesn't mean that we actually have 3rd degree burns from going through literal flames. John Wesley said that he felt that his heart was "strangely warmed" - it doesn't mean that it literally got a few degrees hotter. People have said that they have felt an "icy hand around their heart" - it doesn't mean that a snowman reached into their bodies and squeezed their hearts.

keras said:
and other disasters, all as vividly described in over 100 other Prophesies. 2 Peter 3:7

Nope. It does not say that these are disasters, that they are literal, nor that they are still to come. You have just found other verses that, no doubt, also speak of fire, to back up your interpretation.

keras said:
There will be transport;

I didn't say anything about not being able to get there. I said that if the Lord wants me to go there there I will - and he will make it clear to me that he wants this.

Again, what authority do you have for declaring that certain verses are unfulfilled prophecies and will be fulfilled in a particular way?

Douggg · 2026-01-02T12:04:15-0600

keras said:
I am not going to leave this earth. Alive or dead. Those who think they will, are hopelessly confused and deceived

keras, in Revelation 19, Jesus returns to this earth from heaven accompanied with His Bride.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Who is Jesus's Bride ? Hoe did they get to heaven, to accompany Jesus when He returns ?

HIs Bride is the resurrected/rapture saints taken to heaven before the great tribulation began.

keras · 2026-01-02T13:33:59-0600

Strong in Him said:
Again, what authority do you have for declaring that certain verses are unfulfilled prophecies and will be fulfilled in a particular way?

It is the Bible that is authoritative. I quote what the Prophets have said.
If their fulfilment has not yet happened, then it will in the future, which from many indications; could be in our time.

Rather than making every effort to avoid that possibility, you would be better to carefully study the Prophetic Word, so if [when] they do happen, you would be prepared.
Consider the fact of the sheer amount of Prophecy in our Bible. It is there for the reason that God does want us to know His plans. It isn't difficult to find out how the end times will pan out. Revelation gives us a good narrative of events, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus; then His Millennium reign and Eternity.

People who dismiss and ignore what God has given us thru His Prophets, are basically telling God they don't care about His Words.

keras · 2026-01-02T13:38:45-0600

Douggg said:
keras, in Revelation 19, Jesus returns to this earth from heaven accompanied with His Bride.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Who is Jesus's Bride ? Hoe did they get to heaven, to accompany Jesus when He returns ?

HIs Bride is the resurrected/rapture saints taken to heaven before the great tribulation began.

There is no scripture that says humans will be taken to heaven. Many scriptures say, such a thing is impossible.
You must re-think your beliefs before it is too late!

Strong in Him · 2026-01-02T13:57:50-0600

keras said:
It is the Bible that is authoritative. I quote what the Prophets have said.

But it's you who is saying, "Zechariah 5 prophesies nuclear bombs"; "Isaiah is saying that all Christians will go to the Holy Land" etc.
It's your interpretation - one that almost no one agrees with.

keras said:
People who dismiss and ignore what God has given us thru His Prophets, are basically telling God they don't care about His Words.

Dismissing the prophets, no; dismissing your interpretation, absolutely.

Douggg · 2026-01-02T14:47:13-0600

keras said:
There is no scripture that says humans will be taken to heaven. Many scriptures say, such a thing is impossible.
You must re-think your beliefs before it is too late!

keras, you did not answer the questions.

in Revelation 19, Jesus returns to this earth from heaven accompanied with His Bride.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Who is Jesus's Bride ? Hoe did they get to heaven, to accompany Jesus when He returns ?

keras · 2026-01-02T15:44:02-0600

Strong in Him said:
"Isaiah is saying that all Christians will go to the Holy Land"

Hosea says it too:
Let the wise consider these things:
Hosea 1:10-11 The Israelites will be as countless as the sands of the sea. The time will come when it will no longer be said of them; ‘You are not My people’, and they will be called ‘Children of the Living God’. The people of Judah and Israel will be reunited and will choose for themselves one leader, they will prosper in the Land, for great will be the Day of Jezreel. Romans 9:24-27
Choose their leader; before the Return of Jesus. Jezreel means punishment, this refers to the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, that will clear the Land for this reunion and for the Lord’s favour to His people. Isaiah 10:22, Ezekiel 35:15-27, Jeremiah 30:21

Hosea 3:4-5 The Israelites will be for a long time without a King or leader and without the Temple sacrifices, or the sacred observances. After that, they will again seek the Lord and their Davidic King. All Israel will turn with reverence to their God and seek His favour for the days to come. Isaiah 55:6-7, Psalms 105:1-5

Hosea 12:6-9 Turn back by God’s help, maintain loyalty and justice and wait continually for your God. Ephraim says; surely I have become rich, I am strong and prosperous, sin will not be found in me. The Lord says; From your days in Egypt, I am still your God, you will live in tents yet again, as you did in the Exodus.
Ephraim, the leader of the ten Northern tribes: the House of Israel, among the Western nations, is strong and prosperous. They believe their kind of worship will save them. Isaiah 2:6-8, Isaiah 58:1-5

Hosea 2:13 I shall punish her [Israel] for her sins against Me, when forgetful of Me, she ran off to worship other gods. Ezekiel 4:4-6, Leviticus 26:18
Punishment by exile for a decreed time, now nearly completed.
Hosea 2:14-15 But now, I shall woo her and lead My people into a deserted place, I will encourage them and restore their Land. Then the Israelites will respond as did their ancestors when they came out of Egypt. Ezekiel 20:34-36, Deut. 30:5

Hosea 11:8-11 How can I reject you, Israel and make you like those nations that have died out? A change of heart moves Me; I am the Lord, not a mortal, I will not destroy My people. They will follow their Lord when He calls, they will come from all parts of the earth and I will settle them in houses in their own Land. This is the Word of the Lord. Isaiah 62:1-5, Jeremiah 30:1-40, Zechariah 8:2-8

Hosea 2:16-23 On that Day My people will call Me their ‘Husband’, for I shall betroth Myself to them forever, bestowing righteousness, justice, loyalty and love. I will remove all dangers from them, they will live without fear in a plentiful Land. The people once called ‘Not loved’, and ‘Not My people’, will inhabit their inheritance. I will say to them ‘You are My people’ and they will say; ‘You are our God’. Romans 9:24-26 ...in the very same place....
This refers to every faithful Christian, from every race, nation and language.

Hosea 14:4-8 I shall heal My peoples apostasy, I shall love them freely for my anger is turned away from them. I shall be as dew to Israel, they will dwell in My shadow, so that they may flourish and prosper. I declare and affirm that I, the Lord am the strong tree that shelters My people, they will be famous for their prosperity.

Hosea 14:9 Let the wise consider these things and let the prudent acknowledge them. The Lord’s Laws are right and His people obey them, but sinners fall. Isaiah 1:27-28
Reference: REB, some verses abridged.

keras · 2026-01-02T16:02:57-0600

Douggg said:
in Revelation 19, Jesus returns to this earth from heaven accompanied with His Bride.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Who is Jesus's Bride ? Hoe did they get to heaven, to accompany Jesus when He returns ?

Revelation 19:8 does not say the bride is in heaven. We know the Wedding banquet will be on earth, from Matthew 8:11, where the participants come from the East and the West, - earthly locations. When Jesus Returns His Kingdom of heaven will be all of the earth.

Trying to make a 'rapture to heaven' fit into any Bible verse, is a very serious error and contradiction of scripture.

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