Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

SabbathBlessings said:

I have already provided the context to this passage saying you just do not agree, is not a biblical argument. The Greek here is sabbath(s) not the Sabbath, as there are more than one, there is no eating, drinking, food and drink offerings in the Sabbath commandment, those are all related to the annual sabbath(s) feast days. Jesus said His Sabbath, the holy day of the Lord, would not end, I believe Him over the interpretation that makes Paul contradict Jesus and makes him the beast system who thought to change God’s times and laws Dan7:25

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No one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink OR a New Moon OR a Sabbath Day. The Greek word ē is in that statement indicating 3 different categories, or 4 categories depending on how you want to look at it. Nevertheless these categories are separated by the word OR so the reference to food or drink is not associated with any particular sabbath.

SabbathBlessings said:

The weekly Sabbath was never a shadow to come as it started at Creation before sin Exo20:11 God in the Sabbath. commandment, points us back to Creation why He said Remember Exo20:8-11 when God made everything according to His perfect plan and the Sabbath points to God our Creator and Sanctifier Exo20:11 Eze20:12 are you really going to say that He was against us- God’s blessing and sanctification and what He made for us is against mankind. The Sabbath points us to the only God we are told to worship Rev14:7 Exo20:11, but animal sacrifices and feast days that some were also called sabbath(s) are shadows Heb10:1-15 Paul had no choice but to name them here but was careful to distinguish between the two, but sadly some people just do not seem to care, even if it contradicts Jesus and what Paul and the apostles themselves kept faithfully.

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He didn’t distinguish between sabbaths, he only mentioned other rituals that were a shadow of what was to come. Colossae was a gentile city in Turkey where they would not have a vast knowledge of Jewish religion so not being specific about which sabbath he was referring to would’ve caused confusion if his intention was that they were still obligated to observe the Saturday Sabbath.

BNR32FAN said:

He didn’t distinguish between sabbaths, he only mentioned other rituals that were a shadow of what was to come.

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He said the sabbaths that relates to food, drink offerings and festivals, which is no where in the Sabbath commandment. The sabbaths that are shadows pointing forward to God's sacrifice- Please do tell when did this become a shadow?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

This is the God we are told to worship

Rev 14:7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.


The weekly Sabbath points us back to Creation, not the Cross. There was no sin at Creation, sin came after the fall as did the ceremonial yearly sabbaths that had to with food and drink offerings and sacrifices where the bible said clearly are the shadows Heb10:1-10 what Jesus came to put an end to Dan9:27

Jesus in His own words said His Sabbath would not end for His faithful Mat24:20-30 Isa66:22-23.

John 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

BNR32FAN said:

Colossae was a gentile city in Turkey where they would not have a vast knowledge of Jewish religion so not being specific about which sabbath he was referring to would’ve caused confusion if his intention was that they were still obligated to observe the Saturday Sabbath.

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The Sabbath is a commandment of God, written with the finger of God, which is the Holy Spirit. Please do tell where God made the weekly Sabbath that God blessed and sanctified and where God's blessings and sanctification for man is against mankind. Basically you are saying that God made the Sabbath at Creation to be against mankind basically God is against man. Making what Jesus in His own words what He said about His Sabbath, the Holy Day of God Isa58:13 would be kept after His cross as if what He said, doesn't matter, as if Paul, a man, is greater than He, God, in essence placing man above God. I can see why there is such a stern warning against misunderstanding Paul. The ark of the covenant is revealed at the last trumpet at Judgement. Rev 11:18-19 James 2:11-12 the ark of the Covenant is not empty, it has God's Law Exo40:20 Exo25:21 Rev 15:5 unedited because who can edit the Testimony of God? No one, only the beast system who thinks to, who is against God Dan7:25 and we all will need to choose which side we are on. Who we obey is who we serve. Rom6:16


“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states:
“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary.

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

SabbathBlessings said:

God just wants to spend time with us, He loves us and no relationship can sustain working 7 days a week. God blessed and sanctified only the seventh day from the very beginning of time Exo20:11 Gen2:3 to spend holy time with His creation, what could be more important than this? Why He is calling us back to worship this God Rev14:7 our Creator Exo20:11

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I find it very sad that you can't find time within a normal day to spend with God. I try and put God as my first priority before I do anything else. And talk to him throughout the day. Do things get hectic at times so much that I get caught up? Yes but I still try and get back on the path.
And yes, when one is off there is more time naturally. But some people have to work 7 days a week and yet you would condemn and judge them which is also a serious sin. Thankfully our Father knew eventually the New Covenant would be in place and such matters would not affect people in the latter days. Today we put our continued rest (sabbatismos that remains) in Christ. You and others have made a religion out of a "day". And day we are told not to be judged over.

You are judging people like my husband who has had to do things like "mandatory" weekends to put food on our table as I'm sure is the case with many other Christians. Thankfully God is our true judge, not you.

SabbathBlessings said:

Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.”

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The Greek is Sabbaton in the Colossian verses. And it's added by days. Translated - we are not to be judged by the Sabbaton days. As BNR32FAN mentioned Paul made a point of separating all of them so there would be no doubt or confusion. So you can't insert he was talking about special Sabbath days or anything.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

He ended with sabbaton days. The days of the weekly repose. He already listed holyday/feast days. So when adding Sabbaton days it's very clear he's talking about the weekly sabbaths. Especially since that's the translation.

And we know judging someone is a serious offense. I know you don't think you are but it's pretty apparent.

JulieB67 said:

I find it very sad that you can't find time within a normal day to spend with God..

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Don't find it sad, you do not know me or my relationship with God. Only God knows my relationship with Him, just like He knows it with everyone else Ecc12:13-14, so lets leave the judging on other peoples relationships between those parties and not try to assume that a stranger would know what another stranger does.

JulieB67 said:

I try and put God as my first priority before I do anything else. And talk to him throughout the day. Do things get hectic at times so much that I get caught up? Yes but I still try and get back on the path.

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1John2:4

JulieB67 said:

And yes, when one is off there is more time naturally. But some people have to work 7 days a week and yet you would condemn and judge them which is also a serious sin. Thankfully our Father knew eventually the New Covenant would be in place and such matters would not affect people in the latter days. Today we put our continued rest (sabbatismos that remains) in Christ. You and others have made a religion out of a "day". And day we are told not to be judged over.

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We could find reasons not to obey God on any of God's commandments, but than whose will is one doing. God said

Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

God takes care of us, but He still wants us to obey Him and not rebel against what He asks. Faith is all about doing what God asks even if it doesn't make sense and trusting Him to take care of our needs. I know many people who changed their lives to accommodate keeping the Sabbath commandment, it made their lives only for the better.

JulieB67 said:

You are judging people like my husband who has had to do things like "mandatory" weekends to put food on our table as I'm sure is the case with many other Christians. Thankfully God is our true judge, not you.

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Please show me one place I judged anyone,

I certainly never claimed I know what peopel do with their time or what their relationship with God is. Mat7:3-5

JulieB67 said:

The Greek is Sabbaton in the Colossian verses. And it's added by days. Translated - we are not to be judged by the Sabbaton days. As BNR32FAN mentioned Paul made a point of separating all of them so there would be no doubt or confusion. So you can't insert he was talking about special Sabbath days or anything.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

He ended with sabbaton days. The days of the weekly repose. He already listed holyday/feast days. So when adding Sabbaton days it's very clear he's talking about the weekly sabbaths. Especially since that's the translation.

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I have already addressed this here, you are free to respond with a biblical argument. Perhaps you can start how what God made for mankind is really against mankind.

JulieB67 said:

And we know judging someone is a serious offense. I know you don't think you are but it's pretty apparent.

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You might want to take a look at your post to me, judging me on something you have no idea about, while telling me not to judge and yet not provided one of my post to show where I did this.

Jesus commissioned us to teach others the commandments and also had a warning for those who teach its okay to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30.

SabbathBlessings said:

, you are free to respond with a biblical argument.

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I did, that was the point. You can't just state the Greek means "sabbaths without knowing the translation. Sabbath in that verse is the "day of weekly repose". It added days which means the weekly repose days. You can't insert it means special festivals when he already listed them before the days of weekly repose -sabbaton. And he specifically separated them into categories. Sabbath (day of weekly repose) days was the last category. It was not a special sabbath day. You are adding that yourself.

As evident in post #103 it's apparent you are strongly guided by man's word when God should have the ultimate say. And that verse is very clear.

We could do the same by adding man's commentary to suit our argument but what would be the point? Would that convince you? We need to let the scripture speak for itself.

JulieB67 said:

I did, that was the point. You can't just state the Greek means "sabbaths without knowing the translation. Sabbath in that verse is the "day of weekly repose". It added days which means the weekly repose days. You can't insert it means special festivals when he already listed them before the days of weekly repose -sabbaton. And he specifically separated them into categories. Sabbath (day of weekly repose) days was the last category. It was not a special sabbath day. You are adding that yourself.

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I do not recall anyone responding to the points made.

And no, it was not "The Sabbath" in the Greek, its sabbath(s) plural and the context tells us the sabbaths they are, ones related to food, drink offerings, festivals. The shadow sabbaths that came after sin, not the Sabbath, that was before sin that points to God our Creator and His seal and part of the Testimony of God. Exo20:11 Exo31:18 the ones Jesus said would not end after His cross Mat24:20-30 Isa66:22-23

SabbathBlessings said:

its sabbath(s) plural

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Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

The word is Sabbaton in this verse added by "days"

Of Hebrew origin (shabbath); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. The interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications -- sabbath (day), week.

He's talking about the days of weekly repose. You have inserted that it's talking about special sabbaths and that's not the translation.

JulieB67 said:

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

The word is Sabaton in this verse added by "days"

Of Hebrew origin (shabbath); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. The interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications -- sabbath (day), week.

He's talking about the days of weekly repose. You have inserted that it's talking about special sabbaths and that's not the translation.

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days as in plurral. Did not add it, you even included it.

σαββάτων = “Sabbaths” (plural)

The yearly sabbath days uses the same word. Sabaton. One Sabbath came before sin Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3, and is the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 the other sabbaths came after sin Lev23 and are all about food and drink offerings and sacrifices, so not the same.

You guys keep repeating its the same word, but have yet to address the actual context of this passage or allow the word of God to show us the law that was against us Deut31:24-26 or the laws that were shadows Heb10:1-10 and it wasn't what God said started at Creation Exo20:11 made for mankind Mark2:27, not against, that has God's blessings and sanctification, that continues on thus saith the Lord Mat24:20-30 Isa66:22-23

The context is telling us which sabbath(s) they were.

I provided it that so far no one has responded to it other than repeating that the word used means Sabbath, which it does, but so does the yearly sabbath(s) also use the same word. The NKJV used a small s in Col 2:16 for the annual sabbaths and uses a Capital S for the Sabbath Exo20:8-11 Isa66:23, the Holy Day of the Lord Isa58:13

SabbathBlessings said:

days as in plurral

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Yes, plural. Sabbath days as in days of the weekly repose.

You still have yet to provide proof that Paul is talking about special sabbaths in that verse at the end when he clearly separated them each into categories -the last being the days of weekly repose. Days means plural of the weekly sabbath. That's the translation. He didn't state they were special yearly sabbaths, etc. Again, he already included every other category, including holy/feast days which I'm sure includes high or special sabbaths. That tells us right there he's making a point of separating the weekly sabbath days at the end from those.

The NKJV used a small s in Col 2:16 for the annual sabbaths

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That means nothing. The word means weekly day of repose. It does not mean the annual sabbaths. Most of the new testament uses a little s to denote the weekly sabbath days.

Are these annual sabbaths being discussed? Of course not.

Matthew 12:1 "At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.

Christ even states later-

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days." Christ is very clearly talking about the weekly sabbath days -plural. He's not talking about yearly annual sabbaths.

So the argument you provided about singular use vs plural completely falls apart here as Christ himself calls them the sabbath days when talking about the weekly sabbath.

Luke 4:16 "And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up: and, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

John 5:10 "The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, "It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed."

Another plural example -

Acts 17:2 "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,"

These are the days we are told not to be judged over.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"


And point being the word holyday (heorte in the Greek )in that verse is the same word as in this verse for feast-heorte

Luke 22:1 "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover."

That would be considered a high or special sabbath, not the weekly sabbath. And that is the word he used with heorte. So again, he separated special days/holyday/festivals from the weekly sabbath days at the end.

So my main point is what makes these these sabbath days-

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days

Different from these sabbath days?-

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Translated back, they are exactly the same. And given that Paul makes a point of separating the holydays/feasts from the sabbath days, the context should be clear.

SabbathBlessings said:

days as in plurral. Did not add it, you even included it.

σαββάτων = “Sabbaths” (plural)

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There are 52 Saturday Sabbaths (plural) in a year so nothing wrong with using the plural when referring to the plurality of all sabbaths. You just can’t have it your way.

Hentenza said:

There are 52 Saturday Sabbaths

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Exactly. There are 52 sabbath days in a year.

And as I pointed out Christ stated the very same words when talking about the weekly sabbath days, plural

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."

SabbathBlessings said:

He said the sabbaths that relates to food, drink offerings and festivals, which is no where in the Sabbath commandment. The sabbaths that are shadows pointing forward to God's sacrifice- Please do tell when did this become a shadow?

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Please quote the exact verse that says this. That’s not what verse 16 says at all. He said no one is to judge you in regard to food or drink OR a New Moon OR a sabbath day. He didn’t say anything about sabbaths that relate to food. You’re completely changing what is written in scripture. He said no one is to judge you for this OR this OR this, not for this with this and this. It’s right there in plain English and you refuse to accept it for what is actually written.

JulieB67 said:

Yes, plural. Sabbath days as in days of the weekly repose.

You still have yet to provide proof that Paul is talking about special sabbaths in that verse at the end when he clearly separated them each into categories -the last being the days of weekly repose. Days means plural of the weekly sabbath. That's the translation. He didn't state they were special yearly sabbaths, etc. Again, he already included every other category, including holy/feast days which I'm sure includes high or special sabbaths. That tells us right there he's making a point of separating the weekly sabbath days at the end from those.




That means nothing. The word means weekly day of repose. It does not mean the annual sabbaths. Most of the new testament uses a little s to denote the weekly sabbath days.

Are these annual sabbaths being discussed? Of course not.

Matthew 12:1 "At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.

Christ even states later-

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days." Christ is very clearly talking about the weekly sabbath days -plural. He's not talking about yearly annual sabbaths.

So the argument you provided about singular use vs plural completely falls apart here as Christ himself calls them the sabbath days when talking about the weekly sabbath.

Luke 4:16 "And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up: and, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

John 5:10 "The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, "It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed."

Another plural example -

Acts 17:2 "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,"

These are the days we are told not to be judged over.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"


And point being the word holyday (heorte in the Greek )in that verse is the same word as in this verse for feast-heorte

Luke 22:1 "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover."

That would be considered a high or special sabbath, not the weekly sabbath. And that is the word he used with heorte. So again, he separated special days/holyday/festivals from the weekly sabbath days at the end.

So my main point is what makes these these sabbath days-

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days

Different from these sabbath days?-

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Translated back, they are exactly the same. And given that Paul makes a point of separating the holydays/feasts from the sabbath days, the context should be clear.

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I am not sure your point here other than what we have already covered. The seventh day Sabbath is the same word that is used for the annual sabbaths but obviously they mean different things.


For example

The "special" sabbaths linked directly to certain festivals can fall on any day of the week and are only used in the annual Jewish festivals of

1. Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or
2. Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or
3. Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39)

The word used is šabāṯôn and what it could mean

1. Sabbath observance, sabbatism
   1. of weekly sabbath
   2. day of atonement
   3. sabbatical year
   4. of Feast of Trumpets
   5. of the 1st and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles

But not all Sabbaths are the same. One is weekly, every seventh day Exo20:10, has no animal sacrifices in the commandment Exo20:8-11 written by God Himself Exo31:18 God called it "the Holy Day of the Lord" Isa58:13 and started at Creation before sin, before shadows , before sacrifices Exo20:11

The other sabbath(s) are annual, came after sin, can fall on any day of the week, have animal sacrifices and are connected to the feast days, all about eating drinking offerings and annual holy days what Paul was quoting, they were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark as a witness against Deut31:24-31.

The Ten Commandments was written by God and the Sababth commandment came with God;s blessing and sactification and Jesus said was made for mankind, so not something against.

You are so caught up in the word which is used the same for the weekly Sabbath as the annual sabbaths, but the context tells us if its THE Sabbath that is always on the seventh day Exo20:10 or the annual sabbath(s) that can fall on any day that are connected to food and drink offerings and animal sacrifices and annual holy/feast days.

Jesus said- which in my view is above everyone else, the Sabbath would not end and used the same word and connected it to His Second Coming, so according to Jesus Christ, it did not end at the Cross, so either Jesus has no idea what He is speaking of or people are not allowing the context Paul gave clearly to define the sabbath(s) he meant.

Mat 24:20-30 this is a future prediction way after His Cross that He connected to His Second Coming and what His people would be doing.

But G1161 pray ye G4336 that G2443 your G5216 flight G5437 be G1096 not G3361 in the winter, G5494 neither G3366 on G1722 the sabbath day: G4521

sabbaton (Key)

1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
   1. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
   2. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week

The KJV translates Strong's G4521 in the following manner: sabbath day (37x), sabbath (22x), week (9x).

And for eternity, thus saith the Lord.

And it shall come to pass, H1961 that from H1767 one new moon to another, H2320 H2320 and from H1767 one sabbath to another, H7676 H7676 shall H935➔ all H3605 flesh H1320 come ➔H935 to worship H7812 before me, H6440 saith H559 the LORD. H3068

The Sabbath here in the New Heaven and New Earth

שַׁבָּת shabbâth, shab-bawth'; intensive from H7673; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath:—(+ every) sabbath.

You are free to believe as you wish, but if you look at the context and than reconcile with what Jesus said plainly, His Sabbath did not end at the Cross, just the sabbath(s) that were connected to food, drink offerings, new moon festivals and annual holy days that some were also called sabbath(s) Jesus was predicted He would put an end to them Dan9:27 which is why they were shadows Heb10:1-10 unlike the weekly Sabbath that started at Creation and points to God our Creator and Sanctifier Exo20:11 Eze20:12 and the God we are told to worship Rev14:7 so will never be a shadow of anything. What the Holy Spirit writes that comes with the blessing and sanctification of God is not against mankind. Its really an attack on His character even if one doesn't see it

In the OT, there are two main laws. the Ten Commandments, written by the Holy Spirit on stone for its eternal nature Deut4:13 Exo31:18 placed inside the ark of the covenant Exo40:20 under the mercy seat of God Exo25:21 that is in heaven Rev11:19 Rev15:5

and the law of Moses, that is everything else except the Ten Commandment, written by Moses, on parchment which fades, placed outside the ark of the covenant as a witness against thee. Deut31:24-30

If there was going to be a law that not a jot or tittle would pass from, using our God-given common sense would it the law written by the Holy Spirit, or the law written by a human-being? Thankfully we do not need to guess, because Jesus plainly quoted from the law He spoke of. Mat5:19-30 the law He came to magnify Isa42:21, not the one He came to end Dan9:27. The law all man will be judged by James 2:11-12 Mat5:19-30 Ecc12:13-14 Rev11:18-19 because God's Testimony is God's Word and what we will be judged by the last day John12:48, not the edited version of man He warned us about Dan7:25

BNR32FAN said:

Please quote the exact verse that says this. That’s not what verse 16 says at all.

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Please read my post that breaks this down, I have showed the context multiple times, not one person has actually provided a biblical response, they use the same argument that I am not arguing about. There is more than one Sabbath in scripture, one is always on the seventh day, came before sin, comes with God's blessings and sanctification, the other sabbath(s) came after the fall, can be on any day of the week and are connected to the annual holy feast days that are all about food and drink offerings the context of the passage.

Please show me one verse where the Sabbath comamndment is against mankind- Jesus said it was made FOR mankind- are you claiming He misspoke and its really against us?

This is a really old thread by my brother LoveGodsWord who no longer posts here really broke this down in detail. For those who are interested in truly understanding this I would recommend looking at. For me, Jesus said the Sabbath did not end at His cross and if anyone would know it would be Him, so that's where my faith is. We have free will and this will sort itself out soon enough.

SabbathBlessings said:

am not sure your point here

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I'll repost-

My main point and question was what makes these these sabbath days-

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days

Different from these sabbath days?-

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Translated back, they are exactly the same. And given that Paul makes a point of separating the holydays/feasts from the sabbath days, the context should be clear.

SabbathBlessings said:

I am not sure your point here other than what we have already covered. The seventh day Sabbath is the same word that is used for the annual sabbaths but obviously they mean different things.

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Here is where your amateur linguistic efforts fail you. The context and language of Col. 2:16 is general meaning that the sabbaths are all of them including the Saturday sabbath. The use of “or” sets up a three item set that is independent from each other. You can’t join for or drink to festival or new moons just like you can’t join the sabbath day yo the previous two. Paul is talking about a sabbaton day which can include all sabbaton days including the Saturday sabbath.

“Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

And btw notice that the previous three including the sabbaton are only a shadow of what they used to be because the substance now belongs to Christ.

JulieB67 said:

I'll repost-

My main point and question was what makes these these sabbath days-

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days

Different from these sabbath days?-

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Translated back, they are exactly the same. And given that Paul makes a point of separating the holydays/feasts from the sabbath days, the context should be clear.

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Yes, one Sabbath is always on the seventh day, the other sabbath(s) can fall on any day and are connected to the annual holy feasts days. You still have not addressed one of my questions, but keep repeating the same argument again that has been addressed.

Paul used the Sabbath(s) in plural 30 years after the Cross to refers to the weekly Sabbath(s). Obviously not the sabbath(s) that ended at the Cross, because no man can take away the blessing and sanctification of God Num23:20 that Jesus Himself said would not end. Mat 24:2030 Isa66:22-23 or be edited Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 because man is not above God. When does what He say not count?

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

The KJV translates Strong's G4521 in the following manner: sabbath day (37x), sabbath (22x), week (9x).

SabbathBlessings said:

because no man can take away the blessing and sanctification of God Num23:20 that Jesus Himself said would not end. Mat 24:2030 Isa66:22-23 or be edited Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 because man is not above God. When does what He say not count?

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When He changes it. You keep on with this notion that IF Paul had been referring to the Saturday Sabbath that he would’ve been overstepping his authority instead of recognizing that He was chosen by God to give this message. And you still keep quoting Isaiah 66:22-23 as if the term “from sabbath to sabbath” means that the Saturday sabbath has not been abolished while at the same time saying that the New Moon feasts have been abolished even though Isaiah 66:23 says “from New Moon to New Moon”. Where is the logic in this hermeneutics? I’ve had to have already pointed out this inconsistency to you at least dozen times already and you completely ignore it and keep right on quoting Isaiah 66:23 while still saying that Colossians 2:16 is about the abolishment of the New Moon feasts. It’s truly is mind boggling.