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Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

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The children of God are held captive by the devil but are never the children of the devil. So the children of God may belong to the devil in captivity, yet they aren't the children of the devil, Jesus came to save His People, the children of God Jn 11:51-52

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Jesus can only be a kinsman redeemer to the children of God. Do you believe He is a kinsman redeemer to the children of the devil also ?
Scripture teaches that people become children of God, they are not born that way. Sonship is granted through faith and repentance.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
— John 1:12
 
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Yes they are born the children of God. That's why Christ is their kinsmen redeemer
We are not kinsmen by birth and flesh, but through the Holy Spirit. Once we are born again Christ is our kinsman redeemer. The one not yet born again is a child of the devil (1 John 3:10).

For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh,
— Romans 9:3

For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
— Romans 8:15-16

By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
— 1 John 3:10
 
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We are not kinsmen by birth and flesh,
False, the children of God are Children of God when born into this world, thats why Jesus came to rescue them Heb 2 14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
 
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False, the children of God are Children of God when born into this world, thats why Jesus came to rescue them Heb 2 14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
I don't think Heb 2:14 has anything to do with inherant sonship, but much so to do with how Jesus accomplished redemtion, by becoming flesh and blood like us, so he could defeat the devil and deliver sinners.
 
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I don't think Heb 2:14 has anything to do with inherant sonship, but much so to do with how Jesus accomplished redemtion, by becoming flesh and blood like us, so he could defeat the devil and deliver sinners.
The children in Heb 2:14 are the children of God in the flesh, Christ took on the same to save them
 
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