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Why is the Trinity never explained, described, or mentioned in all of Scripture?
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This is clearly not a reference to the Trinity. It is a reference to Christ. He is the Son, Jesus is the Counselor, Jesus is Mighty God, and Everlasting Father is mistranslated. It should represent something like Everlasting Progenitor. Repeat, when properly translated and interpreted correctly, this passage is only about the Son.
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It is a reference to the Son of God ( Who is God) making His authority of divine and human witness and claims in His absolute lordship. In Isaiah 9:5-6, His claim to the throne of David is also expressed in Isaiah 11:1-5 as from the rod of Jesse ( who was the father of king David).
All of this pertains to the Lord’s adoptive father Joseph to who the Virgin Mary was betrothed. The rod of Jesse is explained in the Lord’s genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 in that the Lord is, beyond a stepson ( but in a sense comparable) to Joseph ( verse 23). Tracing back to David and Jesse ( verses 31 & 32) and ultimately the Son of God in verse 38. This confirms the Lord’s divinity as being before Adam & taking on the human nature of Adam going full circle. Compare this to the theology we see in John 1:1-18 in which the Lord’s divine theology is given in verses 1 to 3 and verses 14 to 18 while the witness of John the Baptist is given in verses 5 through 13. Also see Colossians 1:15-20.
This is all very Trinitarian and the Holy Spirit may seem to be lost at times in explaining the Son but go back to Isaiah 11:1-5 the Spirit is expressed over3 times there. The Lord confirms that He has been sent by His Father & His Spirit ( Isaiah 48:12-16 & compare to Revelation 1:8.
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" And His name will be called". This is the key verse unveiling who Jesus Christ of Nazareth is and how He will and does operate among humans. The Trinity is understood as One in Three. This verse describes the Three in One. Father, Son and Councilor. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is all three hence the Trinity. You can not deny that this is exactly what this verse is speaking of unless you lean towards a non- Trinitarian view.
Blessings.
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Oh dear you are so mistaken and it is all written down for you right there.
Jesus’ baptism is another example of the actual display of the Triune God.
Scripture also says the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an eternal sin. He says also that He and the Father are One.
Jesus, being one with the Father, says He will send the Counselor to teach and remind of all He taught them and us.
There are many more.
Deuteronomy says hear O Isreal the Lord they God is One.
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The Trinity doesn't have to be exhaustively defined, for it to be a concept the Scriptures attests to. Something doesn't have to be explicitly defined for it to be true.
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Analytically, there is no way to make it "make sense" since there is nothing analogous on a human level that perfectly mirrors the relational construct that exists between Jesus, the Son of God and God, the Father. All we can do is make inferences that don't exactly draw from common, human experience.
Still, maybe think of it on the level of genetics and DNA, however rough the analogy can be: if Jesus is the Son of God, then might we be persuaded to also think that Jesus literally shares in His Father's spiritual and "physical" Being? I think we can.
Secondly, we have to be able to put some stock on the fact that Jesus' being the Son of God is a revelatory fact, and if we respect the idea that through God's Special Revelation, the authority of God's Word through Christ tells us to uphold the ideas He gives us about His nature even though they're not fully explained for our common understanding.
And so, we can accept that in the Presence of The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit, there is indeed a Trinity manifested within Christ's Church and we can understand that Jesus, though 'one' with the Father, is still a separate person who can pray to His Father.
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Jesus and the Father are One according to the words of Jesus Himself...
John 10:30
His conception itself indicates Jesus is not of natural descent. His Father is the Holy Spirit who is God, Mary was a human being. We have the God-man from this miraculous birth.
Philippians 2:6-11 expounds and Romans 1:3-4 point out that Jesus had two natures...both human and God natures.
Jesus being human in His earthly walk to fulfill the righteous requirements of the Law - which stood against us - prays to His Heavenly Father just as we too must pray. His earthly walk fulfills many purposes both exemplary for us and fulfillment of redemption.
Maybe I'm missing out on reading some previous posts...sorry in advance if I am, but bears repeating.
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The Father and the Spirit are two distinct persons. The Spirit is not Jesus father in some way analogous to human fatherhood. In fact, the doctrine of the virgin birth should not be understood in a reductive manner at all. It's entirely possible, for instance, that Jesus' human body has the genetic information of both Joseph and Mary, since his humanity is no different than ours by nature. That's a consequence of Nicene and Chalcedonian Christology.
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Revelation 3:1 reveals the Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead, the Trinity…as does Revelation 1:4
As for the rest of your explanation.. such as the genetics of Jesus possibly being of both Mary and Joseph… you have no Scriptural support and it even sounds quite wrong. How can one cite here such a statement and yet reject the Trinity concept? I marvel. The Godhead is miraculous and is to be accepted more so than scientifically examined and explained. Scripture passages describe all three persons of the Godhead and ALSO declares they are Onne. We accept this and when this if this is difficult for you and your faith I suggest taking the advice of Psalm 131 for we must go back to that stance until Scripture explains for us. We are not to go beyond what is written. I Corinthians 4:6
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I don't reject the Trinity concept. But the statement you made confuses the Persons of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is not Jesus "father" in any sense. The Holy Spirit is a distinct Person, just as the Father is.
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ADVISOR HAT
This thread is closed. The OP has not been back since July of 2025, and this is not the place for Christians to debate.
For those who feel the Trinity is not in scripture, look at the tabernacle God had the Israel put together in the wilderness.
In the Holy of Holies, the Ark of the Covenant sat in the center. That is the mercy seat of God the Father. To the right is the Table of Shewbread. Jesus said he is the Bread of Life (shewbread). To the left is the 7 candled oil lamp. It represents the Holy Spirit.
This may be something AI got right. I asked Google 'how the temple in the wilderness represents the Trinity' and got this:
Symbolic Breakdown of the Three PartsThis thread is closed. The OP has not been back since July of 2025, and this is not the place for Christians to debate.
For those who feel the Trinity is not in scripture, look at the tabernacle God had the Israel put together in the wilderness.
In the Holy of Holies, the Ark of the Covenant sat in the center. That is the mercy seat of God the Father. To the right is the Table of Shewbread. Jesus said he is the Bread of Life (shewbread). To the left is the 7 candled oil lamp. It represents the Holy Spirit.
This may be something AI got right. I asked Google 'how the temple in the wilderness represents the Trinity' and got this:
- Outer Court: Represents our physical life or the world, where sacrifices (Christ's work) were made for sin.
- Holy Place (Inner Sanctuary): Contains the Table of Showbread (Jesus as life), the Golden Lampstand (Spirit), and the Altar of Incense (prayer/Christ's mediation).
- Most Holy Place (Holy of Holies): The dwelling of God's presence, containing the Ark of the Covenant with the Law (Father), Manna (Son/life), and Aaron's Rod (Spirit/resurrection).
Key Trinity Connections
- The Embodied Triune God: The entire Tabernacle, covered by the cloud (Spirit) and filled with glory (God's presence/Father), typifies Christ (the embodied God/Temple).
- Christ as the True Temple: Jesus' body becomes the ultimate Temple, fulfilling the Tabernacle's purpose (John 1:14).
- Points to the New Covenant: The detailed structure, including the veil, points to the accessibility of God through Christ, transitioning from shadow to reality.
Specific Objects & Their Trinitarian Meaning
- Ark of the Covenant: God the Father (presence/law).
- Golden Lampstand: The Holy Spirit (light/life).
- Table of Showbread: Jesus (the Bread of Life).
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