Trump announces the Patriot Games.

ThatRobGuy · Dec 21, 2025

Goonie said:
I suspect he's going to find it impossible to resist sticking his name in front of it.

Then the project likely won't get done, as a sculpture project requires sculptors willing to actually do the work for pay.

When you dive into certain realms, there's no avoiding having to "do business" with people who may not align politically.

The Arts would be one such realm where it's heavily tilted towards one side (politically), so getting any sort of big "right wing art" initiative done is virtually a non-starter.

It'd be like saying "I want to do this massive exhibit and gallery dedicated 80's rock, but it can't have any mullets or anyone who may have used drugs, who can we get to collaborate with us?"...welp, then you're not going to have an exhibit lol.

Or perhaps better comparison, it'd be like trying to commission an overtly pro-police/anti-marijuana gangster rap music festival... good luck lol

essentialsaltes · Dec 21, 2025

durangodawood said:
Almost certainly this Garden Of Heroes will be another embarrassment to America.

I can't wait for the plaques on those.

Goonie · Dec 21, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
Then the project likely won't get done, as a sculpture project requires sculptors willing to actually do the work for pay.

When you dive into certain realms, there's no avoiding having to "do business" with people who may not align politically.

The Arts would be one such realm where it's heavily tilted towards one side (politically), so getting any sort of big "right wing art" initiative done is virtually a non-starter.

It'd be like saying "I want to do this massive exhibit and gallery dedicated 80's rock, but it can't have any mullets or anyone who may have used drugs, who can we get to collaborate with us?"...welp, then you're not going to have an exhibit lol.

Or perhaps better comparison, it'd be like trying to commission an overtly pro-police/anti-marijuana gangster rap music festival... good luck lol

The full naming will obviously be after the sculptures are done.

Pommer · Dec 21, 2025

JSRG said:
I don't see the resemblance to the Hunger Games.

Tell us all how they differ.

ThatRobGuy · Dec 21, 2025

Goonie said:
The full naming will obviously be after the sculptures are done.

How would that work?

How would a sculptor be able to make a sculpture without knowing who they're making one of?

Goonie · Dec 21, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
How would that work?

How would a sculptor be able to make a sculpture without knowing who they're making one of?

I'm talking about the actual name of the National Garden of Heroes. At the moment it does not have Donald's name in front of it but given his record Its a reasonable bet he will as his name to it.

Arcangl86 · Dec 21, 2025

I'm not seeing the point of this garden of heroes. There already is a statuary hall in the Capitol. And that one the states get to decide who they want to represent them. This list seems to have been hand picked by the President.

ThatRobGuy · Dec 21, 2025

Goonie said:
the actual name

Oh, based on the previous part of the conversation, it sounded like the concern wasn't the name of the garden, but the names/likenesses that would be in it.

Sounds like a other posters were concerned that it'd be a "Hero" sculpture garden featuring Rush Limbaugh, Charlie Kirk, Himself, and Enrique Tarrio.

stevevw · Dec 21, 2025

What a fun and practical idea. Sports competition is the ideal way to bring a nation together. Sports is always about health, postive activity, team work and striving to do your best in the spirit of competition.

durangodawood · Dec 22, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
I think a Politico article summed up pretty well why that "worst case scenario" you describe would be unlikely...

Sculptors who saw the design specifications for Trump's garden described it as unrealistic, and that "America doesn't have enough quality sculptors or museum-caliber foundries to make this happen on Trump's speedy timeline".

The report questioned who would apply for the $200,000 commission, noting the low opinion of Trump in the artistic community.

In a nutshell, given that we know the political leanings of the "artsy" community, it's already going to be difficult for them just to get enough sculptors who are willing to put their name on a "Trump project" in the first place, much less a project that would be as hyper-partisan as you describe.

You may be able to find some that would be willing to suck it up and make some non-controversial sculptures from the names on the aforementioned list. (especially if there's $200k involved) given that there are quite a few civil rights leaders and democrats that made the list.

However, nobody from the artsy crowd is going to touch it with a 10 foot pole if it were to become a blatant "right wing sculpture exhibit" (not to mention the money would be getting allocated from the National Endowment of the Humanities...you think they're going to sign-off on a Proud Boys garden?)

They will hire Palantir to manage a 3d print project based on historic photos and paintings. No artists needed.

ThatRobGuy · Dec 22, 2025

durangodawood said:
They will hire Palantir to manage a 3d print project based on historic photos and paintings. No artists needed.

Are they going to make the out of plastic or something?

AI disclaimer:
Traditional stone sculpting materials like marble, granite, limestone, and soapstone cannot be directly 3D printed in their natural form. The fundamental challenge is that stone is crystalline rock formed through geological processes - you can't melt it and extrude it like plastic, and reassembling stone particles doesn't recreate the material properties required for a stone statue.

Not to mention, if their plan was to just 3d print statues from some sort of stone alternative, wouldn't they have just cut to the chase and done that right out of the gate?

durangodawood · Dec 22, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
Are they going to make the out of plastic or something?

AI disclaimer:
Traditional stone sculpting materials like marble, granite, limestone, and soapstone cannot be directly 3D printed in their natural form. The fundamental challenge is that stone is crystalline rock formed through geological processes - you can't melt it and extrude it like plastic, and reassembling stone particles doesn't recreate the material properties required for a stone statue.

Not to mention, if their plan was to just 3d print statues from some sort of stone alternative, wouldn't they have just cut to the chase and done that right out of the gate?

What about good old bronze? A classic choice for statuary. Or perhaps try titanium for the top tier national heroes.

JSRG · Dec 22, 2025

Pommer said:
Tell us all how they differ.

Well, this does not appear to be a free-for-all battle, let alone a death game.

To be fair, despite looking at the article, I somehow missed the part in the article where it did mention a male and female from each state. That is a more notable similarity (wish they had specified that was what they had in mind, though).

DaisyDay · Dec 23, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
I think a Politico article summed up pretty well why that "worst case scenario" you describe would be unlikely...

Sculptors who saw the design specifications for Trump's garden described it as unrealistic, and that "America doesn't have enough quality sculptors or museum-caliber foundries to make this happen on Trump's speedy timeline".

The report questioned who would apply for the $200,000 commission, noting the low opinion of Trump in the artistic community.

In a nutshell, given that we know the political leanings of the "artsy" community, it's already going to be difficult for them just to get enough sculptors who are willing to put their name on a "Trump project" in the first place, much less a project that would be as hyper-partisan as you describe.

You may be able to find some that would be willing to suck it up and make some non-controversial sculptures from the names on the aforementioned list. (especially if there's $200k involved) given that there are quite a few civil rights leaders and democrats that made the list.

However, nobody from the artsy crowd is going to touch it with a 10 foot pole if it were to become a blatant "right wing sculpture exhibit" (not to mention the money would be getting allocated from the National Endowment of the Humanities...you think they're going to sign-off on a Proud Boys garden?)

How many sculptors do you actually know? The ones I've met like to eat to the point of really liking commissions. Those who show in museums and galleries do know the value of hobnobbing with the monied folk.

That said, the list of heroes seems awfully heavy with actors and athletes. If "hero" just means "famous", then fine - it's the same as including thrillers in "literature".

DaisyDay · Dec 23, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
How would that work?

How would a sculptor be able to make a sculpture without knowing who they're making one of?

Easy - generic bodies with interchangeable heads!

DaisyDay · Dec 23, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
Are they going to make the out of plastic or something?

AI disclaimer:
Traditional stone sculpting materials like marble, granite, limestone, and soapstone cannot be directly 3D printed in their natural form. The fundamental challenge is that stone is crystalline rock formed through geological processes - you can't melt it and extrude it like plastic, and reassembling stone particles doesn't recreate the material properties required for a stone statue.

Not to mention, if their plan was to just 3d print statues from some sort of stone alternative, wouldn't they have just cut to the chase and done that right out of the gate?

Print a 3-D sculpture, then create a mold from that. Resin mixed with powdered stone is easily cast and mass produced for the gift shop in assorted sizes and colors to match your garden decor, or bronze can be cast into the molds for the traditionalists. Or - picture this! - cast the statues in ceramics to rival the Stone Warriors of China!!

durangodawood · Dec 23, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
Are they going to make the out of plastic or something?

I know - well, knew - the perfect guy for actual sculpting on this job!

Back in college one of my house mates was in the art program. And instead of the nonsense "conceptual" art they taught at our radical-left university, he was always painting heroic generals on horseback and sappy still lifes. He wore a sweater vest and a blazer. His heroes were Nietzsche, Wagner, and Hitler (not for the genocide of course, but for his approach to power and all the 'good things' he did.)

ThatRobGuy · Dec 23, 2025

DaisyDay said:
That said, the list of heroes seems awfully heavy with actors and athletes. If "hero" just means "famous", then fine - it's the same as including thrillers in "literature".

...but many from those categories were a lot of trailblazers and "firsts".

For example, in terms of impact, I don't consider Jackie Robinson as "just an athlete", he obviously represents quite a bit more with regards to certain barriers getting broken down.

DaisyDay · Dec 23, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
...but many from those categories were a lot of trailblazers and "firsts".

For example, in terms of impact, I don't consider Jackie Robinson as "just an athlete", he obviously represents quite a bit more with regards to certain barriers getting broken down.

And Lauren Bacall, John Wayne and Humphrey Bogart? Lou Gehrig is more famous for his disability than for his baseball career. Sam Walton? Famous capitalist, I guess.

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