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prodromos · 2025-12-17T19:26:11-0600

d taylor said:
Understand God's Creation Story | Genesis 1 Commentary Video

We understand it just fine.

d taylor · 2025-12-17T23:20:53-0600

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Apple Sky · 2025-12-18T01:17:40-0600

prodromos said:
Apparently, having a Ph.D in Psychology doesn't translate into expertise in other fields.

And Philosophy.

Oct 1978 - Jan 1985 6 years 4 months. Waltham, MA. Education. University of Wales Graphic. University of Wales. Ph.D. philosophy and psychology. 1970 - 1978

David Lamb · 2025-12-18T01:41:29-0600

d taylor said:
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With a following of approximately 6,000, he sought land north of Chicago and secretly bought a large amount of real estate. In 1900, he announced the founding of Zion, 40 miles from Chicago: he personally owned all the property. He established a theocratic political and economic structure and prohibited smoking, drinking, eating pork, and the practice of any form of modern medicine. He also established a range of businesses, healing homes, and a large Tabernacle. Followers from across the world descended on Zion

Thanks again, but I still don't see how anybody having just the information in Apple Sky's post could know that what you refer to is the same as her "Guiding Head of the Zion Colony."

Apple Sky · 2025-12-18T01:51:09-0600

David Lamb said:
Thanks again, but I still don't see how anybody having just the information in Apple Sky's post could know that what you refer to is the same as her "Guiding Head of the Zion Colony."

I still haven't a clue what your going on about

David Lamb · 2025-12-18T02:03:20-0600

Apple Sky said:
I still haven't a clue what your going on about

Sorry - I'll try to make it clearer. I had asked you:

David Lamb said:
Sorry you are still confused. All I am asking is this: Who is the "Guiding Head" mentioned as being responsible for the video? What is the "Zion Colony" of which he is the guiding head?

-D Taylor replied:

"It is not hard to find information about what you are asking about.

John Alexander Dowie - Wikipedia

Wilbur Glenn Voliva - Wikipedia"

What I am saying is that with just the information you posted when you linked to those old American newspapers, nobody would know the had to look up John Alexander Dowie and Wilbur Glenn Voliva to find out who the Guiding Head of the Zion Colony was.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-18T02:19:14-0600

David Lamb said:
Sorry - I'll try to make it clearer. I had asked you:

-D Taylor replied:

"It is not hard to find information about what you are asking about.

John Alexander Dowie - Wikipedia

Wilbur Glenn Voliva - Wikipedia"

What I am saying is that with just the information you posted when you linked to those old American newspapers, nobody would know the had to look up John Alexander Dowie and Wilbur Glenn Voliva to find out who the Guiding Head of the Zion Colony was.

Sorry, I'm still not following, who are the Guiding Head of the Zion Colony & what do they have to do with the video ?

d taylor · 2025-12-18T02:21:47-0600

David Lamb said:
Thanks, but having looked at both links I find nothing in either of them that refers to "Guiding Head" or Zion Colony." Those were the titles given to the person responsible for the videos in Apple Sky's links.

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You really need actual words that match to make a connection, no wonder you believe what you believe.

Jane Dowie Dowie (1854-1933) - Find a Grave...

David Lamb · 2025-12-18T02:25:57-0600

Apple Sky said:
Sorry, I'm still not following, who are the Guiding Head of the Zion Colony & what do they have to do with the video ?

Well, back in Post 49, you posted a link to a video which started with the printed words: "The Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony explains why the scientists are all wrong....."

David Lamb · 2025-12-18T02:30:28-0600

d taylor said:
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You really need actual words that match to make a connection, no wonder you believe what you believe.

Jane Dowie Dowie (1854-1933) - Find a Grave...

Well, I tried a search for "Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony" and it brought up just one hit, an AI overview starting:

"The phrase "Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony" is not a widely known historical term, but it is the name of a specific museum exhibition. It may also be a descriptive phrase referring to the spiritual leadership within certain religious communities, particularly the Shakers or the Mormon pioneers, who established "Zion" colonies."

Apple Sky · 2025-12-18T02:39:49-0600

David Lamb said:
Well, back in Post 52, you posted a link to a video which started with the printed words: "The Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony explains why the scientists are all wrong....."

There is no mention of The Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony

David Lamb · 2025-12-18T02:49:45-0600

Apple Sky said:
There is no mention of The Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony

Of course there is. I didn't make the words up. The video you linked to in post 49 opens with a picture of a flat earth, surrounded by these words: "Teaching School Children that the Earth is Flat. The Guiding Head of the Zion Colony explains why scientists are all wrong in their ideas of geography and astronomy. The sun is smaller than the earth which stands still and the earth revolves around it while the moon makes its own light." (my emphasis)

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-18T03:46:25-0600

prodromos said:
I asked you where I claimed the above and you responded with:

Not once have I claimed that the Orthodox Church NEVER embraced Ptolemy's system.

Prodromos you certainly did. That is abundantly clear going back to my post 47 reply and your post 48 reply. But let’s start where all this began. In your post 46 you ask accepted by who. In my post 47 reply I tell you that Geocentrism was the accepted viewpoint of most Christian nations at the time be they Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant. In your post 48 you say it’s a broad claim about Christian nations and demand evidence to know the number . Than you continue to write and say I can tell you right now that my claim is false and in regard to the Orthodox Church that am full of it so your obviously referring and saying that I’m full of it in regard to the Orthodox Church being geocentric because that’s the only subject i mentioned in post 47. You mention the matter again of the Orthodox in your post 105. So what is the issue here. The evidence you demand is just common knowledge that Geocentrism model with updates along the way was the predominant model amongst the Christian nations and churches for almost 2000 yrs only being replaced in 19th & early 20th century. So why all the slander of saying I’m full of it twice and claiming that you are simply revealing my supposed falsehood. All I have have ever said is that all Christian nations and also non Christian ones followed the geocentric model of the period they lived under the geocentric model. So what’s the issue . There is no issue . Only that you have probably misunderstood my. Post 47. .. yours Kathleen

prodromos · 2025-12-18T05:16:10-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Prodromos you certainly did.

Nope. Geocentrism was the prevalent view in the Orthodox Church but it was not the only view. Once again I have not claimed that the Orthodox Church never embraced Ptolemy's system. You wrote a lot of words without showing anywhere I made such a claim.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-18T05:42:10-0600

David Lamb said:
Of course there is. I didn't make the words up. The video you linked to in post 52 opens with a picture of a flat earth, surrounded by these words: "Teaching School Children that the Earth is Flat. The Guiding Head of the Zion Colony explains why scientists are all wrong in their ideas of geography and astronomy. The sun is smaller than the earth which stands still and the earth revolves around it while the moon makes its own light." (my emphasis)

Well I have looked again & I can't see it, maybe you could take a screen shot of it & post it.

David Lamb · 2025-12-18T05:54:00-0600

Apple Sky said:
Well I have looked again & I can't see it, maybe you could take a screen shot of it & post it.

Here we are (It is right at the beginning of the video - I think your link opens the video part way through, so maybe that is why you didn't see it):

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-18T06:48:50-0600

prodromos said:
Nope. Geocentrism was the prevalent view in the Orthodox Church but it was not the only view. Once again I have not claimed that the Orthodox Church never embraced Ptolemy's system. You wrote a lot of words without showing anywhere I made such a claim.

Thats right Prodromos. Geocentrism was the prevalent view of the Orthodox Church along the Protestant and Catholic Church there was certainly nothing else that looked like a prevailing view until the 16 century that even looked like a competitor until the Heliocentric model began . And you did mention the Orthodox Church did you not in your post 48. before unleashing your brutal remarks in saying I was Full of it. Maybe you should read more carefully before shooting your mouth off with such brutal comments more so when they turn out not to be true.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-18T06:54:27-0600

David Lamb said:
Here we are (It is right at the beginning of the video - I think your link opens the video part way through, so maybe that is why you didn't see it):

View attachment 374643

Your right I would have never have spotted this. I have no idea what this organization is but thank for pointing it out, I will look into it more.

The Guiding Head of the Zion Colony.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-18T07:10:09-0600

@David Lamb

AI Overview

The identity of the "Guiding Head of the Zion Colony" depends on which specific "Zion Colony" is being referenced, as there are several groups and historical movements associated with the term "Zion"

David Lamb · 2025-12-18T07:18:57-0600

Apple Sky said:
@David Lamb

AI Overview

The identity of the "Guiding Head of the Zion Colony" depends on which specific "Zion Colony" is being referenced, as there are several groups and historical movements associated with the term "Zion"

So as I suggested earlier, you don't know who posted the video.

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