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Young earth vs Old earth?

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If you apply all that science teaches us to scripture then you can’t believe half of what is written in it.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Miraculous occurrences are by definition outside of the domain of science. The issue comes when rather than accepting that YEC is entirely based on faith, advocates push muddled "science" that isn't science at all.
 
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If one believes in a God inspired universe, then arguing over tinelines (6 days vs 4 billion years) and mechanics (creation vs evolution) is largely academic and misses the real question we should be asking!

The fact remains that regardless of whether the CREATION STORY is literal or symbolic, we exist - the real question that should be our focus of attention is not be HOW WE GOT HERE but WHY ARE WE HERE - WHAT PURPOSE DO WE SERVE!
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by this. Miraculous occurrences are by definition outside of the domain of science. The issue comes when rather than accepting that YEC is entirely based on faith, advocates push muddled "science" that isn't science at all.
Right, so since the earth was miraculously created we shouldn’t expect it to coincide with science. I agree that YEC is based on faith.
 
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Right, so since the earth was miraculously created we shouldn’t expect it to coincide with science. I agree that YEC is based on faith.
That's fine, but if you're going to take that position, then to be consistent you must disregard science as an inquiry into the Earth's past.
 
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That's fine, but if you're going to take that position, then to be consistent you must disregard science as an inquiry into the Earth's past.
I wouldn’t say that science can’t tell us anything about the earth’s past, just that it can’t tell us when the earth’s was created. I would also say that we can’t look to science to explain the other miracles mentioned in the Bible either, like Jesus walking on water or being resurrected to life after being dead for 3 days. These beliefs also require us to disregard science.
 
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I wouldn’t say that science can’t tell us anything about the earth’s past, just that it can’t tell us when the earth’s was created. I would also say that we can’t look to science to explain the other miracles mentioned in the Bible either, like Jesus walking on water or being resurrected to life after being dead for 3 days. These beliefs also require us to disregard science.
If the scientific picture of history is so far off that it projects billions of extra years, why would you then trust science for other areas of history? We're not talking individual or momentary departures, but multiple undetected departures that renders science entirely untrustworthy.
 
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