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Had Mary guessed about resurrection ?

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Mary is the woman that tells Gabriel yes, likely assents this yes is valid for her son too, at least as long as Jesus 's not given the signal for the end of her protection, when she, with Joseph, finally discover him in the temple.

I feel it like Jesus' protection switches then from hers to God's, and she tells "yes" to this change as well.

Which makes me assume she tells yes to the death of Jesus too. Actually, i'm not sure, and thus is it i have a question please :
Hadn't there been this episode of his 12 year od in the Temple, wouldn't have Mary tried and avoid the cross for him ?

And, second question :
what makes me subsequently wonder whether she'd not guessed about resurrection is this trustful yes of her, for her giving birth to the son of God, for her accepting God's protecting takeover of the 12 year old Jesus, and finally this death, is (at least in my opinion) to make sense or consistency with the plan God gives through Gabriel's initial speech.
So, do you think, please, she could have guessed about resurrection, since it seems it was the only option that could make sense for her after the cross ?
(Actually up back to recently, i considered the three days for the finding Jesus in the Temple was linked with the three days for resurrection, but i just saw this as a mean for her to not fall in despair, whereas i question myself now up to what preceeds)

Sorry i wonder whether i shouldn't have post this thread in christian apologetics..
Mary knew exactly what she was signing up for when she said "YES".
 
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Hello
What makes you speak so affirmatively, please ?
Micah 5:2 And thou Bethlehem Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda, out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.
5:3 Therefore will he give them up even till the time wherein she that travaileth shall bring forth: and the remnant of his brethren shall be converted to the children of Israel.
 
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Micah 5:2 And thou Bethlehem Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda, out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.
5:3 Therefore will he give them up even till the time wherein she that travaileth shall bring forth: and the remnant of his brethren shall be converted to the children of Israel.
Thank you concretecamper
You probably think Mary was well informed of what is written in scriptures. As for me, i have no certitude
 
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Thank you concretecamper
You probably think Mary was well informed of what is written in scriptures. As for me, i have no certitude
I believes that through the Sacrifice of her Son, she was preserved from Original Sin. (This is confirmed by many early Church Fathers).

And as a result, she possessed preternatural gifts. So yes, she was well informed of Scripture.
 
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I believes that through the Sacrifice of her Son, she was preserved from Original Sin. (This is confirmed by many early Church Fathers).

And as a result, she possessed preternatural gifts. So yes, she was well informed of Scripture.
Yet, she also was surprised at 12 years old Jesus' reply, when they find him in the Temple
 
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