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Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?

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Servants of God and each other don't usually set the rules and certainly don't work their way above others. Perhaps clergy of institutional churches and pastors expecting to be rewarded amply by their flocks, should take note also.
 
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Yet, in every embassy in the world, within the walls of the embassy the laws of the home nation prevail, not the laws of the host nation.
In every individual his own laws prevail, even when perceived to be the laws of the host nation-whether or not they really are. Conscience reigns supreme IOW-and has that right even when wrong,
 
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I think that it is summarized in love your others as you love yourself. And do what you can to help where you can. I do not believe in getting involved in the politics of social justice
Yes, well, I can only say that we won't much get much done as a society of one- in terms of coloring our surroundings Christian in colors. Much of the good that is done and that we enjoy in any given society or nation is due to people of good will joining together in united concerns and efforts.
 
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Much of the good that is done and that we enjoy in any given society or nation is due to people of good will joining together in united concerns and efforts.
And most often aside from institutions, be they political or Christians in name.
 
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Yes, well, I can only say that we won't much get much done as a society of one- in terms of coloring our surroundings Christian in colors. Much of the good that is done and that we enjoy in any given society or nation is due to people of good will joining together in united concerns and efforts.
Why did Christ ignore so much social justice in his day? Why did Paul not oppose slavery or fight for women's rights. If you look closely it is because they had something much better to give than those temporal gifts. Perhaps you could name one of your causes and explain what you are doing about it. That would give me a better idea of what you mean by social justice. For me it is hands on. Like driving an hour to help an invalid shower and dress for a month because his wife had broken her ribs and could not help him.
 
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And most often aside from institutions, be they political or Christians in name.
No they're generally insitutions, necessarily so because of the sheer magnitude of many soical issues, but it's recognized that the more locally problems can be resolved the better. And when institutions speak out against injustices it can just plain carry more weight. But the problem is always in convincing and mobilizing a sufficient part of the population; we're quite often NIMBYs otherwise, in truth. Individuals may also serve as focal points in stirring up the masses, or governing bodies, into action.
 
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Why did Christ ignore so much social justice in his day? Why did Paul not oppose slavery or fight for women's rights.
Because He wanted us to do it. Do you think abolition was wrong? Or civil/women's rights? Do you think He'd want us to sit on our thumbs and overlook genocide, starvation, etc? He had a singular job to do in a relatively short period of time: to bring the light into the world. It's up to us to ponder, reflect, and radiate that light.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,"
 
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Because He wanted us to do it. Do you think abolition was wrong? Or civil/women's rights? Do you think He'd want us to sit on our thumbs and overlook genocide, starvation, etc? He had a singular job to do in a relatively short period of time: to bring the light into the world. It's up to us to ponder, reflect, and radiate that light.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,"
I agree that Christians are not called to apathy or indifference toward suffering. Scripture is clear that love for neighbor matters and that faith expresses itself through love (Gal. 5:6). At the same time, the New Testament places a clear priority on the mission Christ actually gave His church.

Jesus’ earthly ministry was unique and unrepeatable—He came to reveal the Father and accomplish redemption (John 1:14; John 17:4). After His resurrection, He did not commission His followers to reform every social evil, but to proclaim reconciliation with God through Him (Matt. 28:18–20; 2 Cor. 5:18–20). The apostles lived under brutal injustice, poverty, and oppression, yet their primary calling remained the preaching of the gospel rather than organizing political or social movements.

That does not mean Christians should ignore suffering or refuse to help where they are able. Scripture encourages generosity, mercy, and care for those in need (Matt. 25:35–40; James 1:27). But it also cautions us against assuming that we can—or are called to—carry the weight of every global injustice. We are finite, and God has not entrusted every cause to every believer.

Our role, then, is not to “do nothing,” nor is it to shoulder every moral crisis of the world. It is to walk faithfully in the good works God has prepared for us (Eph. 2:10), while keeping the gospel central. Social good can flow from transformed hearts, but it is not a substitute for the message of reconciliation itself (Rom. 1:16).

In short, Christians are called to act in love where God places them, without losing sight of the primary mission Christ gave His church—to bear witness to Him.
 
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without losing sight of the primary mission Christ gave His church—to bear witness to Him.
Luke 4:43 but he said to them, “I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns as well; for I was sent for this purpose.” Jesus exemplified the Will of the Father but the Will of the Father remains foremost.
 
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I agree that Christians are not called to apathy or indifference toward suffering. Scripture is clear that love for neighbor matters and that faith expresses itself through love (Gal. 5:6). At the same time, the New Testament places a clear priority on the mission Christ actually gave His church.

Jesus’ earthly ministry was unique and unrepeatable—He came to reveal the Father and accomplish redemption (John 1:14; John 17:4). After His resurrection, He did not commission His followers to reform every social evil, but to proclaim reconciliation with God through Him (Matt. 28:18–20; 2 Cor. 5:18–20). The apostles lived under brutal injustice, poverty, and oppression, yet their primary calling remained the preaching of the gospel rather than organizing political or social movements.

That does not mean Christians should ignore suffering or refuse to help where they are able. Scripture encourages generosity, mercy, and care for those in need (Matt. 25:35–40; James 1:27). But it also cautions us against assuming that we can—or are called to—carry the weight of every global injustice. We are finite, and God has not entrusted every cause to every believer.

Our role, then, is not to “do nothing,” nor is it to shoulder every moral crisis of the world. It is to walk faithfully in the good works God has prepared for us (Eph. 2:10), while keeping the gospel central. Social good can flow from transformed hearts, but it is not a substitute for the message of reconciliation itself (Rom. 1:16).

In short, Christians are called to act in love where God places them, without losing sight of the primary mission Christ gave His church—to bear witness to Him.
I think we can't separate proclaiming the good news from doing good for others, from fighting for victims against injustices done. Love simply calls for both. And, yes, the great commission is primary and we can only do as much as is possible for us to do but, if somehow we had the capability of reforming every soical evil then it would be incumbent upon us to do it. And in Matt 25 Jesus actually defined a criteria for salvation, separating the sheep from the goats, according to what they did "for the least of these".

Either way, as social beings who're responsible for being our brother's keeper, I'll definiterly come down on the side of nodding to the need for a soundly worked out social justice plan that correctly defines social justice such that coordinated efforts can be made to strive to right wrongs as the needs arise.
 
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Either way, as social beings who're responsible for being our brother's keeper, I'll definiterly come down on the side of nodding to the need for a soundly worked out social justice plan that correctly defines social justice such that coordinated efforts can be made to strive to right wrongs as the needs arise.
The Body of Christ does not have the spiritual or material power or authority to make a social justice plan applicable to the world.

We're supposed to do that for the Body of Christ, where we have the Holy Spirit to act in our behalf, but we've been failing even at that.
 
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I’ve been reflecting lately on how often Scripture warns us about greed and how closely that warning is tied to God’s call for justice and care for others. Jesus speaks about money and the dangers of wealth more than almost any other topic, yet many Christians today find conversations about justice uncomfortable or “political.”

So I wanted to ask the community here:
Why do you think discussions about justice and greed create such tension among believers?
Is it a matter of theology, culture, politics, or something deeper in the human heart?


I’m preparing a video on this topic and would truly appreciate hearing a range of Christian perspectives!
The best example I've got for "greed" from memory is when Ananias and his wife technically stole from God since they wanted to give their money to God but were reluctant to give whole-heartly to the Church. They died after Peter explained to them their infraction of "tempting the Holy Spirit."(Acts 5). God's Justice is also shown here since His Justice clearly shows who is sinning against Him or not and why sinning is bad (since we're saying that God is not as good as He says that He is by sinning).
 
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The Body of Christ does not have the spiritual or material power or authority to make a social justice plan applicable to the world.
Sure it does, and it's already been done, to the benefit of the world IMO.
 
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What plan is that? Is everyone in the world fed, housed, and clothed?
It's a plan that directs proper understanding and action. For example, it's certainly beneficial to unitedly mandate that everyone be fed, housed, and clothed and to direct resources to that end. Anyway, the following are examples, There are more from various other deniominations, I'm sure:

 
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It's a plan that directs proper understanding and action. For example, it's certainly beneficial to unitedly mandate that everyone be fed, housed, and clothed and to direct resources to that end. Anyway, the following are examples, There are more from various other deniominations, I'm sure:

That's not a plan, that's a statement of values. That is not "a soundly worked out social justice plan that correctly defines social justice such that coordinated efforts can be made to strive to right wrongs as the needs arise. "

The only denomination I've seen with a real plan for social service is the Salvation Army. And their plan for disaster preparedness is awesome.
 
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I think we can't separate proclaiming the good news from doing good for others, from fighting for victims against injustices done. Love simply calls for both. And, yes, the great commission is primary and we can only do as much as is possible for us to do but, if somehow we had the capability of reforming every soical evil then it would be incumbent upon us to do it. And in Matt 25 Jesus actually defined a criteria for salvation, separating the sheep from the goats, according to what they did "for the least of these".

Either way, as social beings who're responsible for being our brother's keeper, I'll definiterly come down on the side of nodding to the need for a soundly worked out social justice plan that correctly defines social justice such that coordinated efforts can be made to strive to right wrongs as the needs arise.
You must be specific. I have no idea whether you are refering to rembursement for slavery or blame the white guys. Or a thing you can do something about other than pearl clutch.
 
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It's more or less like how Jesus asked those Jews without sins to stone the prostitute. You need someone just to enforce justice. We are righteous simply because of our Faith, not how just we are.

Moreover, in a sinners' world, "society" more or less belongs to Caesar (Caesar is doing a semi-job of "social justice");

Romans 13:3-4
For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
 
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