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The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

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RamiC said:
You are describing a culture being usurped by another, apparently because it is a danger in a democracy...an actual example please?
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How about south Africa or what is stated in the article above from another thread? If the old culture in the UK refuses to see it due to political correctness, then fine. Like I said before, people loved to tout democracy until they realize it can be used to overcome by outside forces.
 
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timothyu said:
How about south Africa or what is stated in the article above from another thread? If the old culture in the UK refuses to see it due to political correctness, then fine. Europe itself may not agree.
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The biggest change I know of in South Africa was a switch to democracy, not a usurping of culture. The undemocratic system they had previously ceased to be financially viable, so they changed. There was no creep withing an existing democracy.

There is a wrong shift in the UK, a steady abandonement of Christianity consistantly happening since WW1. I do not believe there is some slow, uncontested take over by Islam occuring. If you are talking about "wokeness", Islam is not such a good example, because if you mention "gay rights", the Muslims turn out not to be "woke".
 
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RamiC said:
The biggest change I know of in South Africa was a switch to democracy, not a usurping of culture.
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There definitely was. It gave the original culture an opportunity to take back their country from the Belgians. As far as today goes, let any culture build up to a point they can become elected and the old culture can be eroded. Because religious values are being allowed to override secular out of fears of being called racist or bigoted, the tides will change. When these tides change the old laws and bills of right can also be amended, along with it the civilization that built the countries in the first place.
 
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timothyu said:
Because religious values are being allowed to override secular out of fears of being called racist or bigoted, the tides will change.
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Christians should probably be concerned about actually being racist or bigoted.

As I have pointed out already, Christianity is now a minority thing here, and while it is not up to much at the present time, we have an established church in the UK. We never did the "separation of powers". Sharia courts are not taking over, they have always been legal, but are not legally binding.
 
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As I have pointed out already, Christianity is now a minority thing here, and while it is not up to much at the present time, we have an established church in the UK. We never did the "separation of powers". Sharia courts are not taking over, they have always been legal, but are not legally binding.
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Understood. But consider that the monarchy heading that church can be eliminated by democratic means through parliament, removing any edge it may have at present. And parliament can be controlled by the majority, regardless of which religion or culture they may represent. The old assumption that the founders of nations will continue to control, is out the window simply because a pre-Babel like occurrence is happening again.

Consider the US of A as an example. Over 60+ years ago there was a surge of Muslims there by way of the black movement. Yet this was not disrupting as these converts still were part of the fabric of the nation that they grew up in. They were home grown. Not so today as outside influence has brought their old ways, refusing to leave them back at home where they came from. And the system is being used by crying persecution in order to gain a foot hold. Man's systems only work when unthreatened by outside influence. We've taken a serious step backwards thanks to the utopian idea of living as one. Ain't gonna happen. Ask the American Indians. God scattered the people into nations for a reason.
 
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timothyu said:
Understood. But consider that the monarchy heading that church can be eliminated by democratic means through parliament, removing any edge it may have at present. And parliament can be controlled by the majority, regardless of which religion or culture they may represent. The old assumption that the founders of nations will continue to control, is out the window simply because a pre-Babel like occurrence is happening again.

Consider the US of A as an example. Over 60+ years ago there was a surge of Muslims there by way of the black movement. Yet this was not disrupting as these converts still were part of the fabric of the nation that they grew up in. They were home grown. Not so today as outside influence has brought their old ways, refusing to leave them back at home where they came from. And the system is being used by crying persecution in order to gain a foot hold. Man's systems only work when unthreatened by outside influence. We've taken a serious step backwards thanks to the utopian idea of living as one. Ain't gonna happen. Ask the American Indians. God scattered the people into nations for a reason.
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I too see from that angle concerning Babel, though for the risk of being seen as insane, I keep it to myself.

But I steer clear of politics, it would be like walking into a minefield.

Abraham was the most generous person to ever walk the face of the earth, if anyone is a child of Abraham, then they will do as Abraham.

You know, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
 
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timothyu said:
Not so today as outside influence has brought their old ways, refusing to leave them back at home where they came from. And the system is being used by crying persecution in order to gain a foot hold. Man's systems only work when unthreatened by outside influence. We've taken a serious step backwards thanks to the utopian idea of living as one.
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Well the USA voters need to decide if they want freedom of religion, or if they want to limit who can enter the country based on religion.

"Man's" systems are surely "man's" regardless of country, religion or culture? The "outside influence" you are reffering to is also from "man".
 
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