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Apple Sky said:

Except for NASA & Satan.

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You mean that NASA and Satan ARE in competition with one another??
What a ridiculous statement.

Strong in Him said:

I know.
I only quoted it because some people believe that it is a) literal and b) applies here. They would say, and have said, that one day is equal to 1,000 years, therefore God created the whole universe over a period of 6,000 years.
I quoted it, also, because I wondered if you believed that.


If you are saying that the message of Genesis 1 is that God created - I agree.
But to some, it is vitally important to know whether he created in 6 days, 6,000 years or 6 undefined periods of time.

I've no idea what you mean by that, sorry.

No, it's not "clearly" talking about that at all.
Who's to say that the "evening" wasn't towards the end of a 5,000 year, or whatever, period and the "morning" wasn't the beginning of the next one? For example, end of the stone age, beginning of the bronze age? (Or whatever - I haven't researched it properly.)
Each of these "ages" could be one day, to God.

I do say that perhaps some people need to learn about Biblical interpretation, different genres of writing etc and realise that the Bible and science are not in competition with one another.
The Bible doesn't have to explain things scientifically - that is not its purpose.

Did I? Where?

No, I do not expect "instantaneously"
I made the point that God could, easily, have created the universe in a moment - he has that power. Then I asked the, quite reasonable question, why did he take 6 days to do it?
Whatever you believe a "day" to represent, it had a morning and an evening - a beginning and an end. (Except in Genesis it's the other way around.)
Why? Did God need to go to bed in between? Why take 6 periods of time to create something that he could have done in an instant? Why did God, and the author of Genesis, need to present the creation of the universe in 6 definite periods of time?
IS God limited that he could only do one thing at a time -"animals, you'll have to wait for day 6, I'm dealing with oak trees at the moment."? Surely not.

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Yes that’s what I say the God created the world and I also say God created it in six 24 hour literal days . And as you said it is vital to know whether it be 6 days, 6000 yrs or six undefined periods of time . Stronginhim what is your belief.On that ? You say you have no idea what I mean. Stronginhim you be referring to the pillars I mentioned.i I’ll explain again. The pillars are more for visualisation purposes. Imagine the word day is in the middle of the pillars. And on each individual pillar is either the word evening or morning. So not only has God written the word day he has doubled down writing evening and morning for each individual day so there be no misunderstanding that he is speaking of a 24 hour day. I then explain to yu that each of the six creation days ends with ( And the evening and the morning for such and such a day let’s say the first day etc. All days pointing directly to 24 hour days you then say NO and that it’s not clearly talking about that at all . You then say who’s to say ? that the evening wasn’t towards the end of a 5000 year or whatever period and the morning wasn’t the beginning of the next one. You than say for example the end of the Stone Age and the beginning of Bronze Age. Why would this be incorrect ? Stronginhim Because each day automatically follows after the next . Where in the text does it mention a 5000 year period it doesn’t . Where are the Stone Age or the Bronze Age mentioned it’s not. You then say each of these ages could be one day with God. Again where does it say that in the genesis creation account. It doesn’t . You say yu haven’t studied much on that. That’s ok we live and learn by trail and error ❤️. Stronginhim you.ask why did God take 6 days to create the universe when he could have done so in a moment you say he has the power to do so.. I could say to that. It’s all good and well to be healing the blind and withered arms. But could God create the universe in a moment ??? Stronginhim do you know what a moment is ??? It’s A blink of a eye . I could say no . And my opinion would be baseless and just mere assumptions. And You also don’t know if God could create the universe in a moment but you could be absolutely right. But still only a opinion and both our opinions would both be based on assumptions. But what we do know as fact is that God created the world in 6 days in rocket time . Let’s stick with what we know. You mention if God sleeps . I not know but if God desired to enjoy the good pleasure of sleep, even if he Never sleep I sure he able . .

Apple Sky said:

The Micro & the Macro.

New King James Version
The craftsman stretches out his rule, He marks one out with chalk; He fashions it with a plane, He marks it out with the compass, And makes it like the figure of a man, According to the beauty of a man, that it may remain in the house.

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You realise this quote - from Isaiah 44:13, by the way - is talking about someone making an idol?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Kathleen30 said:

Stronginhim you.ask why did God take 6 days to create the universe when he could have done so in a moment you say he has the power to do so.. I could say to that. It’s all good and well to be healing the blind and withered arms. But could God create the universe in a moment ??? Stronginhim do you know what a moment is ??? It’s A blink of a eye .

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No, a blink of an eye is a second, a moment is longer - like a minute.
Are you saying there is something, or maybe things, that God cannot do? That he only has a certain amount of power?

I'm sorry that I haven't answered all you post but I'm finding them hard to read.
What's with all those pink oblongs?

Dro

Strong in Him said:

No, a blink of an eye is a second, a moment is longer - like a minute.
Are you saying there is something, or maybe things, that God cannot do? That he only has a certain amount of power?

I'm sorry that I haven't answered all you post but I'm finding them hard to read.
What's with all those pink oblongs?

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Depending on what dictionary Collins says a few seconds but can also mean a minute or short time too . Strong in Him It is good you not answer write long time . Gives mind a rest. : ) No I not say that God can’t do . We not what know what God can fully do.

Apple Sky said:

The Micro & the Macro.

New King James Version
The craftsman stretches out his rule, He marks one out with chalk; He fashions it with a plane, He marks it out with the compass, And makes it like the figure of a man, According to the beauty of a man, that it may remain in the house.

Creation - The Micro & The Macro

This is just a theory. I have very often asked myself, could we & the earth be the micro of God who is the macro. To understand this better here is a link. There are 75 Verses About The Womb In The Bible

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GREATER WORLD MAP And MACROCLIMATE CHANGE (AEWAR, VIBES OF COSMOS And FLATEARTH NATIONS)

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You have taken Isaiah 44:13 out of context. It isn't about God creating the earth, but about ungodly people making idols, as is seen when we do see the verse in its context:

“Who would form a god or mold an image That profits him nothing? Surely all his companions would be ashamed; And the workmen, they are mere men. Let them all be gathered together, Let them stand up; Yet they shall fear, They shall be ashamed together. The blacksmith with the tongs works one in the coals, Fashions it with hammers, And works it with the strength of his arms. Even so, he is hungry, and his strength fails; He drinks no water and is faint. The craftsman stretches out his rule, He marks one out with chalk; He fashions it with a plane, He marks it out with the compass, And makes it like the figure of a man, According to the beauty of a man, that it may remain in the house. He cuts down cedars for himself, And takes the cypress and the oak; He secures it for himself among the trees of the forest. He plants a pine, and the rain nourishes it. Then it shall be for a man to burn, For he will take some of it and warm himself; Yes, he kindles it and bakes bread; Indeed he makes a god and worships [it]; He makes it a carved image, and falls down to it. He burns half of it in the fire; With this half he eats meat; He roasts a roast, and is satisfied. He even warms himself and says, “Ah! I am warm, I have seen the fire.” And the rest of it he makes into a god, His carved image. He falls down before it and worships it, Prays to it and says, “Deliver me, for you are my god!”” (Isa 44:10-17 NKJV)

Apple Sky said:

Don't be silly,

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That's how your statement read.
In my reply to another forummer, I said:

Strong in Him said:

I do say that perhaps some people need to learn about Biblical interpretation, different genres of writing etc and realise that the Bible and science are not in competition with one another.

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You replied:

Apple Sky said:

Except for NASA & Satan.

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So I asked you if you meant that they are in competition with one another.
It wasn't clear what you meant, so I asked the question.

Apple Sky said:

they are both in competition with God.

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Now who's being silly?
Lucifer (Satan) once tried to be in competition with God and overcome him. He lost, and was thrown down to earth.
The idea that all 17,000+ NASA employees - including the Christians - are in competition with God is too ridiculous to consider even for a second.
Another random statement with no evidence whatsoever.

Apple Sky said:

Just those in the clan.

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So are you saying that NASA employs only Scottish people? What clan?

Apple Sky said:

33 degree Freemasons, certain bloodlines, secret society members etc etc etc ............
You be suprised who is related to who through their blood.

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So where is the evidence that NASA leaders are 33 degree Freemasons? What do bloodlines have to do with it? Being related by blood to a Freemason doesn't make anyone a Freemason.

David Lamb said:

So where is the evidence that NASA leaders are 33 degree Freemasons? What do bloodlines have to do with it? Being related by blood to a Freemason doesn't make anyone a Freemason.

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I think we are going to get into lizard people next. It is true that there are elite people conspiring to bring in the One World Government to make way for the Anti-Christ, even if they don’t believe in the Anti-Christ. However, they don’t have an easy time of it. Populous movements are growing, and there are still many good Christian people and others fighting against it. The globalists don’t have the power over a large portion of the population. Conspiracy theory people that think the globalists can control all the employees of NASA and all of the scientists back to the 17th century are underestimating the power of God and the free thinking of ordinary people. According to studies, only about 20% of people can be fully brainwashed and controlled. I think the number is higher. In places like Northern Korea, there are always people who pretend and don’t actually believe. You can also see this with whistleblowers in every country. One could not control all 17,000 people in NASA, let alone all of the great scientists in the last few hundred years. Conspiracy theorists want to believe that they have a monopoly on truth and that some groups of people are controlling this crazy world. Controlling the billions of people in the world is like herding cats. So, like the devil in the Garden of Eden, the conspiracy people mix truth and lies to convince as many people as possible who are angry and paranoid. One should also remember that God’s kingdom is based on love, and Satan’s kingdom is based on fear. Individuals don’t try to escape from love, but even demons try to escape from fear.

Apple Sky said:

It depends who they are.

AI Overview

One notable leader of NASA who was a Freemason was
James E. Webb, who served as the agency's second Administrator. Several other prominent figures in NASA's history, primarily astronauts, were also Masons.

NASA Administrator

• James E. Webb was the NASA Administrator from February 1961 to October 1968. He oversaw the Mercury and Gemini programs and the early Apollo missions. Webb was a member of University Lodge No. 409 and Oxford Lodge No. 122 in North Carolina.

Other Notable Freemasons in the Space Program
Several NASA astronauts were Freemasons:

• Buzz Aldrin, a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was the second person to walk on the Moon. Aldrin carried a special deputation from the Grand Master of Texas to the Moon. This led to the founding of Tranquility Lodge No. 2000.
• John Glenn, a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was the first American to orbit the Earth. Glenn later became a U.S. Senator.
• Leroy Gordon Cooper Jr., a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts. Cooper piloted the final Mercury mission, Faith 7.
• Virgil "Gus" Grissom was one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts. Grissom was the second American in space. He died in the Apollo 1 fire during a launch rehearsal.
• Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14. He was the sixth person to walk on the Moon.
• James Irwin was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 15. Irwin was the eighth person to walk on the Moon.
• Donn Eisele was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 7. This was the first crewed Apollo mission.

Kenneth S. Kleinknecht, an engineer who worked on early manned spaceflight, was also a Freemason. Kleinknecht became manager of the Command and Service Modules of the Apollo program.

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So you are implying that a Freemason cannot be a Christian. For example, Buzz Aldrin and John Glenn. You still have not addressed all of the Christian scientists before NASA. Newton is a good example. Nor is there any evidence that all astronauts are Freemasons or controlled by Freemasons. Besides, the Freemasons are not united. The power and control you think is there, isn’t there yet.

Apple Sky said:

33 degree Freemasons, certain bloodlines, secret society members etc etc etc ............
You be suprised who is related to who through their blood.

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So would you.

You're talking absolute nonsense.

Apple Sky said:

It depends who they are.

AI Overview

One notable leader of NASA who was a Freemason was
James E. Webb, who served as the agency's second Administrator. Several other prominent figures in NASA's history, primarily astronauts, were also Masons.

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Who cares?

i) you've already shown that you're happy to quote Freemasons when it suits you
ii) someone's beliefs has nothing to do with whether they did something, or not - in this case, get in a space rocket, fly to the moon, walk on the moon, return to earth. Either they did these things and they can be proved, or they didn't. In the same way that being a Flat Earther has any relevance to whether or not you live in Wales. You're wrong about the shape of the earth - your beliefs - it doesn't make you wrong about everything else as well.

Apple Sky said:

Other Notable Freemasons in the Space Program
Several NASA astronauts were Freemasons:

• Buzz Aldrin, a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was the second person to walk on the Moon. Aldrin carried a special deputation from the Grand Master of Texas to the Moon. This led to the founding of Tranquility Lodge No. 2000.
• John Glenn, a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was the first American to orbit the Earth. Glenn later became a U.S. Senator.
• Leroy Gordon Cooper Jr., a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts. Cooper piloted the final Mercury mission, Faith 7.
• Virgil "Gus" Grissom was one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts. Grissom was the second American in space. He died in the Apollo 1 fire during a launch rehearsal.
• Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14. He was the sixth person to walk on the Moon.
• James Irwin was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 15. Irwin was the eighth person to walk on the Moon.
• Donn Eisele was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 7. This was the first crewed Apollo mission.

Kenneth S. Kleinknecht, an engineer who worked on early manned spaceflight, was also a Freemason. Kleinknecht became manager of the Command and Service Modules of the Apollo program.

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You realise that you've given details of Freemasons who went to the moon - even though you're denying that anyone has been to the moon.