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Dunno about that, since you seem to have forgotten a lot of the wackadoodle things said about President Obama. But regardless, I never claimed to have total recall. So....what are some examples of this "Bush derangement syndrome" you claim was a thing back in the day? And who, exactly, called it that?


I think his supporters, many of them anyway, are fully capable of sufficient wackadoodle all on their own. But, as I said, the criticism and objections to Trump, even the hyperbolic ones, are based on reality: things he's done, or said. Nothing wackadoodle about it.

-- A2SG, on the other hand, a lot of stuff Trump has done, himself, that can be quite wackadoodle....
I'm well aware of the things you mentioned against Obama. That's why I know there's not an equivalence to what has been directed against Trump. His supporters by and large are described as being a facist cult. Trump as president, especially in this term, has achieved many accomplishments for the American people in a sort amount of time.
 
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I'm well aware of the things you mentioned against Obama.
Cool. Because you seemed to think a lot of that stuff wasn't wackadoodle, and it was. Very much so.

That's why I know there's not an equivalence to what has been directed against Trump.
You're right there. President Obama was criticized for quite a lot of stuff he didn't do, and views or beliefs he never had. Trump, on the other hand, is criticized for stuff he's actually done and said.

His supporters by and large are described as being a facist cult.
I've admitted that some of the criticisms are hyperbolic, but they are still based on reality. Trump absolutely has demonstrated authoritarian tendencies, so the charge of his being akin to a fascist are rooted in real actions. A significant number of his supporters are so ardent in their fealty to him that they willingly and repeatedly ignore reality to do so, i.e. believing he's innocent despite being proven guilty of fraud and other crimes on several occasions. What do you call people who are so totally dedicated to a leader they willingly ignore reality like that?

Hyperbole, maybe...but not without a basis in reality. There was no basis in reality for claims that President Obama was born in Kenya or was a radical muslim.

Trump as president, especially in this term, has achieved many accomplishments for the American people in a sort amount of time.
I'd need examples of actual accomplishments. Most, if not all, of the ones usually claimed seem to be backfiring. His tariff plan, for example, has led to increased prices and less jobs. More specifically, his China tariff policy created a problem that he claimed to have solved...but didn't. China, as a direct result of Trump's tariffs, currently trades a lot less with the US than they used to. Be really hard to call any of that an accomplishment.

Another example would be DOGE. DOGE claimed to have saved the government $160 billion, but an independent analysis shows that they cost the government $135 to do it. Add to that, DOGE's estimates about the savings they accrued seems to have been overstated. And lest we forget all the government employees DOGE fired, only to find they needed to rehire them again. I don't know how anyone would call that efficient.

So, let's be clear here, most of the "accomplishments" he claims are either wildly overstated, or flat out blatant lies. We know this. But still, many of his followers still believe these lies, and continue to spout them every chance they get. If that ain't wackadoodle, I don't know what would be.

-- A2SG, maybe we need to redefine wackadoodle for the Trump era.....
 
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Here are the pictures of the supposed "fishing boats" that were blown up by the US Navy. Note all the bundles of what appears to be either cocaine or fentanyl. Perhaps all the "fishing gear" is underneath it? Now is the part where you dismiss the evidence and continue claiming there is none, even though I cannot provide it to you. Good day. For the record, if I do not reply, it isn't because I cannot provide evidence. It means that evidence is not worth presenting to ideologues who refuse to accept it.
APPEARS to be being a key word there. Things are not always as they appear ( which is why we have strict laws about what happens when police are not very careful.
 
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I suspect that if you had a son or daughter killed by a cocaine or fentanyl overdose, you would have a completely different opinion.
How do you know the person does not have someone close to them that overdosed or came close ( happens a good bit as well people are saved every day by Narcan, in fact at this point you can literally buy it from the drug store.
 
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Do you not think Trump did the right thing? Gee, talk about darned if you do, darned if you don't. You blow up drug dealers, liberals complain. You arrest drug dealers, liberals complain. You set drug dealers free, liberals complain. It appears the best approach is to do nothing, which is probably why liberals do nothing about it.
Maybe they feel that it is better to deal with the demand end vs treatment ( which quite frankly I tend to agree with. To be clear I have no issue arresting the big time dealers, but the users and the ones selling small amounts to fund their own habits do not need incarceration ( or if you are going to minimum security incarceration has been shown not to work if it did the drug war would have been over decades ago. instead it has done nothing but get worse and without addressing demand it will keep getting worse and we will keep having people dying. There have been people who have died for lack of those drugs as well and even counties who have gotten quite costly lawsuits for not providing proper medical care during withdraw for newly arrested inmates. Moreover, often times the drug problems start out with needing prescriptions and sometimes still needing them when they are cut off, but the doctors are too scared to over-prescribe them. I have some ideas on that as well but that is not the topic of this thread.
 
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Has Congress declared individuals who brings narcotics to be enemy combatants? or is it something we just made up?
Congress has not declared a single war sense WWII.
 
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Does it matter where the drugs were designated to go. Like, "Sorry bro, we pulled you over because we thought you were going to bring the cocaine to the United States. You are free to go. Safe travels to Europe."
I think the point was A we are NOT the world's police and B without demand supply goes down with demand there will ALWAYS be a supply one way or another, and in fact when you make something illegal ( not saying that hard drugs should be legal but when you make something illegal and there is a black market supply it will always be worse because you do not know what you are getting
 
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During wartime, a combatant is lawfully subject to lethal force wherever the person is found – unless and until the individual offers to surrender. Therefore, only positive identification of an enemy target is required to use lethal force.
According to that would they not have to KNOW they are drug boats not just suspect.
 
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Although from what I see, it is hard to see how similar the boats are. I can't determine how long the boat is, nor what engines it is using. But I can definitely tell that one has fishing gear with no drugs, and the other has drugs with no fishing gear. Can you at least acknowledge that?
There is really no way to tell that BECAUSE if they are "smart" they would hide the drugs among the fishing gear meaning that really short of searching the boat there is no way to really prove there are no drugs in those boats.
 
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The laws of armed combat says that lethal force can be authorized against an enemy combatant once the enemy target has be confirmed and is not surrendering. Nothing more. Just another reminder, we are not talking about criminals, we are talking about designated terrorists and combatants in the global war of terror. No different than ISIS.
I think their point it we are NOT confirming that we are blowing up things that we think may be that without knowing for CERTAIN. It is not like on land where you may have two buildings one that is a target and one that is not and the one that is not gets destroyed by somewhat accident due to just being close to the target.
 
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Which means congress implicitly approves of what Trump is doing. Otherwise, they would have stopped it after the first strike.
so let me asks you this if congress were to try and stop him do you think he would stop?
 
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Read the thread and stick with the context. The question that was raised was what Jesus' attitude towards narco terrorists. My simple answer was that if they dont repent, they will be thrown into a lake of burning sulfur. Many Christians love Jesus as the loving little lamb, but they forget that He will come again as a fearful lion.

With regard to morality and legality, assuming any part of the liberal narrative is true. My personal view is similar to a father who murdered his daughter's rapist, or killing the drug dealer that sold the drugs that killed his son.
would that bring your son back? Would that change the fact that your son took the drugs ( and I for the record to not support the idea that addiction is always a choice) still your son would have bought those drugs and how can you prove ( in most cases who sold the drugs anyway?
 
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I will take it that you admit that the president can use military force without congressional approval?
Even under that though if the president has sixty days and that time has expired then the president no longer has that authority 60 days has come and gone so if he has the authority to do something for up to 60 days and that time is up then he no long has that authority. Kinda of like how if there is an election and the president is either term-limited or loses the election or the governor well from the time the winner is declared until the time they take office the sitting president or government still has the same authority, however the minute the other person is sworn in maybe it is noon on January 20th maybe it is January 1st but whenever it is that person loses all authority over the state/nation whatever else. If I own a house say and I sell that house and say I agree with the new owner that I have 60 days to get out and during that time on may make whatever improvements ECT I wish, however when that time is up I no longer have any authority over or right to that house. If the law says the president can do something without approval for sixty days and that time expires then it would reason that under that law the president needs to either cease the action or get approval
 
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Narco drug trafficking has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of citizens.
Who have ( for the most part) had some direct role in their death.
 
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Regardless of which Narco needs to be shut down as much as possible.
I think the issue is are we going about it the right way and will it actually be effective in reducing the numbers at least in any meaningful way.
 
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I think the issue is are we going about it the right way and will it actually be effective in reducing the numbers at least in any meaningful way.
One could ask that regarding combatting all sorts of things.
 
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One could ask that regarding combatting all sorts of things.
yes, they could does not mean that the question does not apply in this case.
 
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APPEARS to be being a key word there. Things are not always as they appear ( which is why we have strict laws about what happens when police are not very careful.
Well, I trust that the military did their due diligence to get "positive identification" that the vessel and it's cargo met all the criteria necessary according to the laws or armed combat to designate the vessels as legitimate enemy targets. Legally making them no different than a group of ISIS terrorists transporting weapons, money, or drugs to continue their war effort. Note that positive ID on a declared enemy is all that is necessary to use lethal force.

You say, "things are not always what they appear," I agree. Show me something, anything that a REASONABLE PERSON would suggest otherwise. I see no fishing gear, nor any fish. Just bundles of what appears to be valuable drugs. Look at the images again and I dare you to tell me otherwise.
 
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