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Several large private prison companies have donated and contributed to the Trump campaign. They’re then awarded contracts with the government to house all the people ICE and border patrol have been detaining. It’s essentially state sanctioned human trafficking for profit. We don’t get any of this money from this but several of Trump’s wealthy friends do.
Do you say this about every NGO or just the ones that donated to Trump. Did any of them donate to Democrats? Do any NGOs donate to Democrats? Are they getting the same treatment you accuse these private prisons are getting? Are all these detention centers privately run?

Its quite a theory it seems you support. They donated to Trump and now Trump is enforcing immigration law so we can funnel money to those who donated.

I bet you don't make that claim of every NGO that donated to Biden or other Democrats.
 
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That's what everyone says when they believe a conspiracy theory.
Did you or did you not wonder why people are being kept for months instead of being immediately deported?
 
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But I still think its ridiculous that we are holding illegals for 5-6 months or more. As you pointed out its costing us money. Have them sign the paperwork or get them to a hearing if they want to fight deportation and get them deported.
We didn't have enough immigration judges when this all started. There was a 2 million person backlog of cases. This huge extra expense was an inevitable consequence of detaining people without removing the bottleneck.
 
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We didn't have enough immigration judges when this all started. There was a 2 million person backlog of cases. This huge extra expense was an inevitable consequence of detaining people without removing the bottleneck.
In fact, I told y'all so, before Trump 2.0 even got started:

in the context of cutting the bloated federal budget... detaining people costs money. Increasing the number of detainees will require additional government spending.

If this will all be so efficient, why is Trump looking to increase the detention space? I already know why the prison-industrial complex is licking its lips at the idea.

I have simply pointed out that implementing this law will cost money, so the GOP will have to increase spending. Something that was included in the bipartisan immigration bill that Trump blew up.

The bipartisan immigration bill had money set aside to hire immigration judges, which would have sped up the caseload. Instead, we just have to wait for everyone to be processed legally before they can be deported. If they can feed and house themselves ... I don't see a good reason for the taxpayer to pay for it

And the GOP did increase spending:

ICE’s Budget Just Tripled. What’s Next?


But deportations have not tripled. However, we are housing and feeding record numbers of people in private facilities.
 
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That costs us money. It doea not give us money.

Who said this?

I have no problem with this. Particularly when we know that rye vast majority are not granted asylum and rhere is a large percentage who don't follow through with their hearings.

Probably because rhey don't really what their names are because the people aren't being honest.

But I still think its ridiculous that we are holding illegals for 5-6 months or more. As you pointed out its costing us money. Have them sign the paperwork or get them to a hearing if they want to fight deportation and get them deported.

I never said "we" got money. I said follow the money. They are being detained because people are making money off the detentions, as explained by GoldenBoy.

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That's a huge number of people, and it takes a lot of resources, a lot enforcement actions typically take a lot of planning, especially if you're focused on trying to get sort of people with significant criminality, criminal histories, which historically is who we've focused on, who ICE has focused on. I think the the aperture is broader now and it, honestly, it has to be to get that many arrests every day. Typically, if you're trying to conduct an enforcement action, you would surveil them. You would figure out patterns you would try and identify. You would make sure you know where they're going to be and when, so that when you conduct the enforcement action, you are conducting it in as safe and secure a manner as you can possibly do, both for the safety of the person you're picking up and for the ICE agents. By opening the aperture of numbers this way, it requires people to focus on who can we arrest quickly, rather than who is the most important person for us to arrest, which isn't necessarily the way they're talking about it. They're trying to focus on, you know, picking up the serious people with serious criminal histories. But it just doesn't stand to reason that you can arrest that many people around the country every day and be focused on the worst, the people with the worst criminal histories. You're going to be focused on the people who you can arrest most quickly, and those are the people who you have good addresses for.

June:

Top Trump aide Stephen Miller set a quote of 3,000 undocumented migrant arrests per day, in a meeting with ICE officials, according to two people who spoke with attendees. It comes as protestors confronted ICE agents during an immigration enforcement operation at a restaurant in San Diego. NBC News’ Liz Kreutz reports.


Today:

 
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New Orleans leaders decry immigration crackdown, pointing to video of agents chasing U.S. citizen

“Just because you look brown, you look Hispanic, you’re going to get stopped, because now it doesn’t matter if you have papers, you speak English or you are a citizen, it’s not enough” [the chased woman's stepdad said]

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As the 22-year-old Guzman put it to WWL, she was walking back from a corner store near her home in Marrero, Louisiana, on Wednesday when an SUV pulled up next to her. More unmarked cars soon arrived, and men clad in masks and tactical gear poured out.

Guzman said she thought she was about to be kidnapped, and she sprinted toward her front door in plain view of a home security camera.

... she surmises that she was pursued because “I’m brown”.

“I have no idea why they targeted me,” Jacelynn Guzman told the Guardian reporting partner WWL Louisiana on Thursday, a day after the video in question was taken and subsequently went viral online.

“That’s honestly all I can think of … It makes me scared for my family. It’s devastating.”

Asked for comment about Guzman’s remarks, a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) spokesperson issued a statement saying she matched the description of someone who was being sought by border patrol agents in connection with a deportation order.

[Was the description "darker than Pantone's color of the year"?]
 
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Three-year-old child forced to serve as her own attorney in Tucson immigration court

The child, barely old enough to talk, was one of 25 immigrant children forced to fight removal efforts by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) at the Pima County immigration courthouse in Tucson on Nov. 24.

Judge Feldman [postponed] her next hearing to March 2026 [to allow the toddler time to find and retain an attorney].

At Lucy’s first hearing in August, an attorney with FIRRP explained that despite a desire to assist the child, the nonprofit lost most of their federal funding in March after the Trump administration terminated contracts. As a result of the funding cuts, the group is unable to take on new clients despite continued demand for their legal services.

Judges typically allow young respondents additional time to find legal counsel,

But hiring an attorney is expensive, and even older children of working age cannot work without a proper work authorization. As a result, many of these children, who are already constrained by living in a shelter, do not have the money to hire an immigration attorney

As a result, the children often have to fend for themselves, or hope already-stretched thin nonprofits will fill in the gaps.

Others, like Lucy, are too young to understand what’s going on in the first place, which results in the absurd theater of a three-year-old defending themselves in court.
 
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Federal immigration agents tackled and arrested a Somali American man in Minneapolis on Tuesday and detained him for about two hours for no apparent reason other than his ethnicity. The man who was arrested said that the agents had trouble finding the Bishop Henry Whipple Federal Building at Ft. Snelling while driving him there.​
The 20-year-old was not suspected of any crime, and described his ordeal during a Wednesday news conference alongside Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Police Chief Brian O’Hara, who each denounced the agents’ actions.​

This is state sponsored terrorism.
 
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Federal immigration agents tackled and arrested a Somali American man in Minneapolis on Tuesday and detained him for about two hours for no apparent reason other than his ethnicity. The man who was arrested said that the agents had trouble finding the Bishop Henry Whipple Federal Building at Ft. Snelling while driving him there.​
The 20-year-old was not suspected of any crime, and described his ordeal during a Wednesday news conference alongside Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Police Chief Brian O’Hara, who each denounced the agents’ actions.​

This is state sponsored terrorism.
He looks like the guy who made a video stating that he was going to ambush any ICE agents that came to the area and shoot them.
I'm not certain it's him, and since he only gave his first name I can't confirm
 
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He looks like the guy who made a video stating that he was going to ambush any ICE agents that came to the area and shoot them.
I'm not certain it's him, I will see what I can find
If it was him do you think he'd be walking free right now?
 
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Federal immigration agents tackled and arrested a Somali American man in Minneapolis on Tuesday and detained him for about two hours for no apparent reason other than his ethnicity. The man who was arrested said that the agents had trouble finding the Bishop Henry Whipple Federal Building at Ft. Snelling while driving him there.​
The 20-year-old was not suspected of any crime, and described his ordeal during a Wednesday news conference alongside Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Police Chief Brian O’Hara, who each denounced the agents’ actions.​

This is state sponsored terrorism.
I’ve heard this referred to as a “Kavanaugh Stop”. CF
 
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We Americans decide what is American just like the Irish get to decide what is Irish or the French get decide what is French. Not sure what you don’t understand about that.
I think the sticking point for most people is the idea that it is a decision instead of an emergent property of our culture. It is the "No true Scotsman" fallacy write large.
 
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