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Apple Sky · Thursday at 2:45 AM

David Lamb said:
Where does the bible say anything about Moses finding his staff in his father-in-law's garden?

It doesn't it comes from 'The Legend of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg.' And it also states that the end of his staff was made of sapphire & only the right person could pull it out of of the ground a bit like Arthur & his sword, I wonder where they got this story from ?

Apple Sky · Thursday at 2:49 AM

Strong in Him said:
What black sun?

The one in the video.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 2:51 AM

Apple Sky said:
The one in the video.

Not watching a video; it's not the cinema.
You explain - if you can.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 2:52 AM

Apple Sky said:
It doesn't it comes from 'The Legend of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg.' And it also states that the end of his staff was made of sapphire & only the right person could pull it out of of the ground a bit like Arthur & his sword, I wonder where they got this story from ?

They made it up - just as Flat Earthers do.

David Lamb · Thursday at 2:54 AM

Apple Sky said:
It doesn't it comes from 'The Legend of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg.' And it also states that the end of his staff was made of sapphire & only the right person could pull it out of of the ground a bit like Arthur & his sword, I wonder where they got this story from ?

Well, if this quote about "Legends of the Jews" is anything to go by, the legends are highly unreliable:

"Stories like Joshua being swallowed by a whale, Adam and Eve as cannibals, or detailed accounts of angels and demons are common in Ginzberg's work, expanding far beyond the biblical text. "

Apple Sky · Thursday at 3:06 AM

Strong in Him said:
Not watching a video; it's not the cinema.
You explain - if you can.

No wonder you don't know much about science.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 3:14 AM

Strong in Him said:
They made it up -

A bit like Newton's gravity & Apollo (a god) missions to the moon oh & lets not forget their floating earth around the sun.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 3:18 AM

Apple Sky said:
No wonder you don't know much about science.

You think a YouTube video which is made by Freemasons - who, when it suits you, are liars - is the best science education there is?

I asked you to explain it - you clearly can't so you resort to an insult on a person instead.
Didn't you once complain about that sort of behaviour?

Strong in Him · Thursday at 3:26 AM

Apple Sky said:
A bit like Newton's gravity & Apollo (a god) missions to the moon oh & lets not forget their floating earth around the sun.

Gravity is not "made up" - you can prove it by dropping things. They always fall on to the ground.
Moon missions aren't made up; there is loads of evidence. You keep repeating the "made up/fabricated" line to draw attention away form the fact that a) it wasn't that long ago that you believed the astronauts and said "sorry" to God for doubting, and b) you are accusing a born again Christian - someone who is as precious in God's eyes as you are - of lying.
The earth does not "float" around the sun, it revolves. If it did "float" it could drift off to anywhere in the universe.

You've managed to change the subject - so you can't explain what a black sun is, then?

Apple Sky · Thursday at 3:33 AM

Strong in Him said:
You think a YouTube video which is made by Freemasons - who, when it suits you, are liars - is the best science education there is?

I asked you to explain it - you clearly can't so you resort to an insult on a person instead.
Didn't you once complain about that sort of behaviour?

Sorry -

prodromos · Thursday at 3:50 AM

jonojim1337 said:
Yeah sure buddy, they can’t even tell the same story.

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Obviously the top photo is taken from further out with a standard lens while the bottom is from much closer with a fisheye lens. Of course you people don't bother to actually research the details with photographs. Things like lens type, focal length, field of view, distance to subject etc. are important information when comparing photographs, but flat earth photo comparisons are usually completely devoid of any such details.

Total fail, but do try again.

prodromos · Thursday at 3:51 AM

jonojim1337 said:
Globe earth is simply an impossibility.

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The stupid is strong with this one.

prodromos · Thursday at 3:53 AM

jonojim1337 said:
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Please link to the original photo on NASA'S website.

prodromos · Thursday at 3:58 AM

jonojim1337 said:
Let’s not forget the old classic

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This image was stitched together from multiple passes. Clouds tend to move over time. There is no secret about the way the image was put together.

prodromos · Thursday at 4:02 AM

Apple Sky said:
No wonder you don't know much about science.

Watching all those videos hasn't helped you at all.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 4:06 AM

Strong in Him said:
so you can't explain what a black sun is, then?

It is based under the hole of the North Pole it rays shine forth to give us our moon phases & eclipses.
It's more intricate than this.

This is the sign for the Black Sun.

It signifies a hidden or inverted source of energy, a buried star that represents an inward-turning power or a secret foundation of existence.
The Black Sun is reference to certain eclipses.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 4:09 AM

prodromos said:
Watching all those videos hasn't helped you at all.

They have taught me a lot especially when it comes to the truth.

Jerry N. · Thursday at 5:05 AM

Apple Sky said:
It is based under the hole of the North Pole it rays shine forth to give us our moon phases & eclipses.
It's more intricate than this.

This is the sign for the Black Sun.

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It signifies a hidden or inverted source of energy, a buried star that represents an inward-turning power or a secret foundation of existence.
The Black Sun is reference to certain eclipses.

Now you are using occult symbols?

David Lamb · Thursday at 5:10 AM

Apple Sky said:
It is based under the hole of the North Pole it rays shine forth to give us our moon phases & eclipses.
It's more intricate than this.

This is the sign for the Black Sun.

View attachment 374334

It signifies a hidden or inverted source of energy, a buried star that represents an inward-turning power or a secret foundation of existence.
The Black Sun is reference to certain eclipses.

What hole in the North Pole? If it's black, how does your supposed "black sun" shine? Where does the bible tell us that God created the ordinary sun and a black sun? What is the reference to either the black sun or its sign (not sure which you meant) representing "an inward-turning power or a secret foundation of existence" supposed to mean? There is no secret foundation of existence. Everything that exists was created by God.

Kathleen30 · Thursday at 5:19 AM

Strong in Him said:
The Bible is the final authority in matters of faith, Christian doctrine, God's will and plan etc.
So if someone says, "Jesus was meant to come to earth to get married and start a family" - which is what Moonies say - the question is; does that statement agree with the Bible? The answer is "no", so we can reject it.
If someone says "God told me that you have to do X, Y or Z to be saved", the question is; "what does the Bible say?" The NT says that Jesus is the only way to the Father and salvation is through no one else. So if someone is trying to promise salvation apart from Jesus - don't believe them.

But the Bible is clearly not the final authority in ALL things.
If you were trying to decide whether to choose Nursing or Teaching as a profession, the Bible would not give you the answer.
If you were trying to discover which church/school/university to go to, you would not find the answer in the Bible.
The Bible can't tell you where to live, whether to marry and if so, to who, whether to have children, what charities to support and many other personal decisions. You may find the answer to those by prayer - talking and listening to God - not in the Bible.
In the same way, the Bible does not teach biology, astronomy, the history of Australia or any other country. It doesn't teach us OT Hebrew, NT Greek, Aramaic or any other language.

When what clashes with Scripture?

It depends on how you mean "challenged".
"Challenged" to grow in holiness, to trust God, to follow Jesus more closely, to step out in faith, to use your gifts in his service - absolutely.
"Challenged" to deny a scientific fact because, when you read the poetry of the Bible you believe it is saying something different; no.

Thank you.
The Bible doesn't teach us everything - that was my only point. We have to look to resources outside of the Bible to learn other languages. In the same way we have to look to resources outside of the Bible to find out about a world that the Bible writers knew little about; how it works, how different things react, behave and so on.

That wasn't my point.
My point was only that the Bible does not teach us all things. It is not a specialist book in all subjects - therefore, it is not the final authority on Physics, Biology etc.
A scientist would not say, "let's solve this problem by looking in the Bible for the answer", any more than a theologian would say, "let's consult a chemistry textbook to tell us what God's will is."

I never said there was.
I said that even if someone were to find out all about Mozart it wouldn't mean they could play the piano, or clarinet.

What I'm saying is that when we want to find out, or learn something, we need to look in the appropriate book. The Bible is not a science textbook - yet some people here are acting as though it is and expecting it to teach us about the earth, its form, the intricate details of creation and so on.
Why?
The Bible is about God - the One who created this awesome universe.
God has not only allowed people to study and learn about his creation, he has given them the gifts to be able to do so; to discover, experiment and learn just how wonderful this world/universe is. Yet some people are treating scientists as though they were the devil incarnate. They are accusing astronauts and astronomers of being liars are have implied, if not stated, that world leaders, governments etc are all plotting together to deceive us.

I never said they were - I wasn't talking about music in worship

I didn't say anything of the sort.
I said that you won't learn Spanish by reading a cookery book which mentions Paella and Spanish wine.

Again, if you want to learn a subject read the appropriate book.
If you want to learn about God, read the Bible.

Right - so I expect you will be reading the bible to find out where you should spend Christmas? Or what presents to buy for your family?
Although I would expect you not to celebrate Christmas at all because it isn't mentioned in the Bible. Whereas festivals such as Hannukah, the feast of Tabernacles, Passover and so on, are.
The Bible is the authority in all things, remember?
Maybe you were thinking of going to the January sales? I shouldn't; January isn't mentioned in the Bible, nor is shopping for bargains.
Maybe you were thinking of having ham/gammon on Boxing Day? That's not a good idea. Boxing Day isn't mentioned in the Bible and the Jews were told not to eat pork.
Maybe you are thinking of buying a new car/computer/smart phone? These aren't mentioned in the Bible so good luck in finding a verse to tell you what to do.
The Bible is the final authority in all things, remember?

Stonginhim you write : ( the Bible is the final authority in matters of faith: Christian doctrine, Gods Will and plan etc. ) that’s right . And there be no problem with that or with the many professions that are sought in life . The whole issue here is when those professions are used to override what the bible teaches or claim the Bible is wrong and must be reinterpreted another way. That be the issue between me and you and that is the issue at hand . Ok let’s take the claim of the earth being billions of years old that many men of science claim . It be in direct conflict with the Bible and what came forth of this monstrous claim . Evolution which now infests the entire world. The only way evolution becomes plausible is that it must have time and lots of it millions and billions of years to be believable. And both are lies put forth as fact by the a magority of scientists. Thats what I mean when I say the word of God is the final authority in all things and all professions. Be it science , medical the teaching profession or any other profession etc. All be be in subjection to the word of God. It not be so much the profession but what the people behind the profession claim. Ok .that’s the issue . And that’s all Im trying to warn you about. You must always evaluate any professions claim against the word of God. That is why it’s the final authority

Now you have written a very long reply and you bring forth many situations out of them . You mention Xmas. And that we don’t find it the Bible . Many say it’s a pagan tradition . Others see it as a wonderful joyous occasion to commemorate our Lord coming into the world .what you expecting me to say to that . You then mention Hannuka the feast of Tabernacles and the Passover being in the Bible and Christmas not being in the Bible . Stronginhim and so they are. Are we supposed to celebrate those feasts ??? Considering that we have passed from the old covenant to the new covenant. : ) Again when thinking upon Christmas . Here’s another angle wilest not in the Bible it be a celebration of Christ the Orthodox Church and traditional churches have many traditions they celebrate that not in the Bible if they do not contradict the Bible what harm do they do ??? You than say the Bible can’t tell us where to live or choose a partner or have have babies or our job or profession. Really considering the Bible gives quite some advice on marriage and when spermed it is God that allows conception not us. As to our preference of study or job. Do you not know that the spirit of truth shall guide us to where God wants us to be . So again the Bible has great influence on that too.

You then mention the Bible concerning Jews not eating pork . Well under the new covenant if converted to Christ the Jewish one may eat what they like excluding live blood at least according to the vision given to ST Peter in the book of acts . Not sure what boxing day or even if Australia' day contradicts the Bible. But one thing is certain whenever I present my home made Pork dumpling's when visiting and feeding the less fortunate ones this time of year . Be they Jew, Christian's or whatever they be. Yet there be no legalism all do submit and happily gobble up my dumplings in rapturous delight and feasting . There be no grumbling about pork : ) Stonginhim I do wish you a blessed day in your UK

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