Chat GPT is amazing for bible history, and Daniel 11:36-45

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T09:15:44-0600

Ask chat GPT to explain Daniel 11 ending at Antiochus 4, and it will do a great job. There are plenty of human written websites explaining this part of Dan 11 also. Now ask chat GPT to give a list of all rulers of Judea including Roman ones from 164 BC (the death of Antiochus 4) until 70 AD. Now ask it which one fits Daniel 11:36-45 best. It can not find an answer although some days it might give one person, and another day gives a different person. It was trained on every single public domain text which is every single piece of ancient Greco Roman literature, Assyrian, Babylon, Persian etc archaeology, all different bible versions, the dead sea scrolls (ask it about all the ancient texts it was trained on) , and yet it can not figure out who that last person is, and neither can any real humans with certainty. Dan 11:36-45 mentions Edom (Edomites fought with Judeans 70 AD, got killed, and that was the end of Edom), Moab, and Ammon (ceased to exist even earlier by 63 BC) therefore Dan 11 had to end before 70 AD. Dan 11 was written to Israelites which was a people with a religion based in Judah centered around a temple which ceased to exist 30-70 AD another reason it had to end by 70 AD. There is a long list of different people it could be but I can never be sure who it is.
Chat GPT is great for finding language patterns in the bible. You can paste a verse into then ask it find every single other bible verse that sounds like this, and it will. If using it for Judean research with something like Josephus or other Greco Roman writers it can make up quotes a lot so always double check sources. I have learned a lot from it over the past few days. Can say to it what is the internal timeline of x book in the bible or what is the internal claim to authorship of books of the OT. When dealing with a text that is ignorantly labelled pseudepigrapha just say to it assume the text is historical, and happened then ask it questions.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T09:21:29-0600

Here is something i found out using it in the past few days

To preface I believe Revelation 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future, and can show a lot more stuff from Rev 1-12 in context of 70 AD.

I asked chat GPT what Revelation 8 was in context of Judea 70 AD.

8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

And it references this. I copy pasted it from Josephus so it is real, and not imagined by chat GPT.

Josephus War of the Jews book 3 chapter 9

This took place 67 AD. Some Judeans went to Joppa in Judea, and built it up.

2. In the mean time there were gathered together as well such as had seditiously got out from among their enemies, as those that had escaped out of the demolished cities, which were in all a great number, and repaired Joppa, which had been left desolate by Cestius, that it might serve them for a place of refuge; and because the adjoining region had been laid waste in the war, and was not capable of supporting them, they determined to go off to sea. They also built themselves a great many piratical ships, and turned pirates upon the seas near to Syria, and Phenicia, and Egypt, and made those seas unnavigable to all men. Now as soon as Vespasian knew of their conspiracy, he sent both footmen and horsemen to Joppa, which was unguarded, in the night time; however, those that were in it perceived that they should be attacked, and were afraid of it; yet did they not endeavour to keep the Romans out, but fled to their ships, and lay at sea all night out of the reach of their darts.

3. Now Joppa is not naturally an haven, for it ends in a rough shore, where all the rest of it is straight, but the two ends bend towards each other, where there are deep precipices, and great stones that jet out into the sea, and where the chains wherewith Andromeda was bound have left their footsteps, which attest to the antiquity of that fable. But the north wind opposes and beats upon the shore, and dashes mighty waves against the rocks which receive them, and renders the haven more dangerous than the country they had deserted. Now as these people of Joppa were floating about in this sea, in the morning there fell a violent wind upon them; it is called by those that sail there, the black north wind, and there dashed their ships one against another, and dashed some of them against the rocks, and carried many of them by force, while they strove against the opposite waves, into the main sea; for the shore was so rocky, and had so many of the enemy upon it, that they were afraid to come to land; nay, the waves rose so very high, that they drowned them: nor was there any place whither they could fly, nor any way to save themselves, while they were thrust out of the sea, by the violence of the wind, if they staid where they were, and out of the city, by the violence of the Romans. And much lamentation there was when the ships were dashed against one another, and a terrible noise when they were broken to pieces; and some of the multitude that were in them were covered with waves, and so perished, and a great many were embarrassed with shipwrecks. But some of them thought that to die by their own swords was lighter than by the sea, and so they killed themselves, before they were drowned; although the greatest part of them were carried by the waves, and dashed to pieces against the abrupt parts of the rocks, insomuch that the sea was bloody a long way, and the maritime parts were full of dead bodies, for the Romans came upon those that were carried to the shore, and destroyed them; and the number of the bodies that were thus thrown out of the sea was four thousand, and two hundred. The Romans also took the city without opposition, and utterly demolished it.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-02T09:21:39-0600

samaus123456789 said:
Ask chat GPT to explain Daniel 11 ending at Antiochus 4, and it will do a great job. There are plenty of human written websites explaining this part of Dan 11 also. Now ask chat GPT to give a list of all rulers of Judea including Roman ones from 164 BC (the death of Antiochus 4) until 70 AD. Now ask it which one fits Daniel 11:36-45 best. It can not find an answer although some days it might give one person, and another day gives a different person. It was trained on every single public domain text which is every single piece of ancient Greco Roman literature, Assyrian, Babylon, Persian etc archaeology, all different bible versions, the dead sea scrolls (ask it about all the ancient texts it was trained on) , and yet it can not figure out who that last person is, and neither can any real humans with certainty. Dan 11:36-45 mentions Edom (Edomites fought with Judeans 70 AD, got killed, and that was the end of Edom), Moab, and Ammon (ceased to exist even earlier by 63 BC) therefore Dan 11 had to end before 70 AD. Dan 11 was written to Israelites which was a people with a religion based in Judah centered around a temple which ceased to exist 30-70 AD another reason it had to end by 70 AD. There is a long list of different people it could be but I can never be sure who it is.
Chat GPT is great for finding language patterns in the bible. You can paste a verse into then ask it find every single other bible verse that sounds like this, and it will. If using it for Judean research with something like Josephus or other Greco Roman writers it can make up quotes a lot so always double check sources. I have learned a lot from it over the past few days. Can say to it what is the internal timeline of x book in the bible or what is the internal claim to authorship of books of the OT. When dealing with a text that is ignorantly labelled pseudepigrapha just say to it assume the text is historical, and happened then ask it questions.

Make sure you ask ChatGPT to use Bible only. It picks up a lot of commentaries that are not supported by the Bible. And there is nothing that replaces prayerful Bible study guided by the Holy Spirit.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T09:28:01-0600

Yeh. As long as historical constraints are put on it too eg show me when this event took place ending 70 AD at the latest or it might run off into a futurist interpretation of OT prophecies when they are constrained to the time of the old covenant which ended 30-70 AD. Chat GPT replaced literally hundreds of hours research into history of different parts of the bible. It is amazing.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-02T09:38:19-0600

samaus123456789 said:
Yeh. As long as historical constraints are put on it too eg show me when this event took place ending 70 AD at the latest or it might run off into a futurist interpretation of OT prophecies when they are constrained to the time of the old covenant which ended 30-70 AD. Chat GPT replaced literally hundreds of hours research into history of different parts of the bible. It is amazing.

Also keep in mind some of Daniel 11 is "prophecy" it spells out many of it literally, but we have to look at history who conquered Greece etc. and see if the rest of what the Scriptures states matches history.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-02T09:44:40-0600

This is what I got from ChatGPT

1) Daniel’s timeline structure (Bible)

Daniel 2: four kingdoms, then divided phase, then God’s kingdom

Head of gold = Babylon (named) (Daniel 2:37–38)
Then “another kingdom… and another… and the fourth” (Daniel 2:39–40)
The feet/toes are divided: “part of iron and part of clay” (Daniel 2:41–43)
Then God’s kingdom replaces them all (Daniel 2:44–45)

So the Bible itself gives: one sequence → then a mixed/divided end phase.

Daniel 7: fourth beast → ten horns → little horn

Four beasts = four kingdoms (Daniel 7:17)
Fourth beast is unique/strong (Daniel 7:7, 19)
Ten horns arise, then a “little horn” rises and uproots three (Daniel 7:8, 24)
That horn speaks against God, persecutes saints, and “thinks to change times and laws” (Daniel 7:25)

So the Bible adds detail: the late-stage power is not just political strength; it claims religious/dominating authority.

2) Where history is legitimately used (mapping unnamed kingdoms)

Daniel names Babylon (Dan 2) and names Medo-Persia and Greece (Dan 8:20–21). It doesn’t name the “fourth” kingdom in Dan 2/7. So historically people map:

Babylon → Medo-Persia → Greece → Rome

That mapping is not stated as “Rome” in the text, but it’s a reasonable historical fit many use.

3) The iron + clay step

What Daniel 2 explicitly says:

A divided kingdom, partly strong (iron) and partly brittle (clay) (Daniel 2:41–43)
There’s mixture, but it won’t truly “cleave” (hold together) (Daniel 2:43)

iron = government/state power
clay = religious power
the mixture = church + state

4) what the Bible can conclude

Bible can conclude (criteria):

A late-stage power:

arises in the 4th-kingdom phase (Daniel 7:7–8, 24)
persecutes saints (Daniel 7:21, 25)
claims authority in sacred matters (“times and laws”) (Daniel 7:25)

5) A Bible-first, history-second statement

Daniel describes a sequence of kingdoms ending in a divided/mixed phase (Daniel 2:41–43).
Daniel 7 enlarges the fourth kingdom and shows that from its later stage arises a horn that exalts itself in God’s sphere and persecutes the saints, even attempting to control sacred order (“times and laws”) (Daniel 7:8, 21, 24–25).
Since Daniel does not name the fourth kingdom, history is used to map it; many identify it as Rome, and therefore see the horn as rising out of the Roman phase and developing into a religio-political power.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T16:45:22-0600

Yeh. You have to ask it specific chapters. For what you posted it got the first 3 right but the 4th wrong as it is still future. Chat GPT is great for past events but can not explain future bible prophecy as by the very definition can not be trained on data that does not exist. The last kingdom of Dan 2/7 overlaps with Revelation 13- they are the same kingdom so for example ask it to show the similarities between the last kingdom of Dan 2/7, and Rev 13. I figured this out myself- Rev 13:18 links back to king Solomon which links to the modern country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram but chat GPT can not know that. I can post all the bible verses if you want.
Daniel was written in the 500s BC, and yes it was prophecy when it was written but all of it happened by 70 AD except last kingdom of Dan 2/7. So ask it to show how Daniel 8 ended in Maccabees for example. Or ask it when Edom, Moab, and Ammon ceased to exist to know how Daniel 11 had to end before then sometime (before 70 AD sometime). Ask it to show how Ezekiel 38,39 happened in Esther or how Zechariah 14 happened in Maccabees ( it doesn't know about the Mt of Olives part as that is not recorded in 1/2 Maccabees but had to of happened then- the MT would of closed back up after like the red sea). I suppose someone might have to know when the prophecies happened before hand to ask it specific questions, and then it shows the language, and concept connection between the prophecy, and the event in a later book written about past tense.
Ask it to show the internal date, and claim to authorship of all OT books or NT books (note all NT books were written before 70 AD). IF doing proper study of the NT have to tell it- reject Markan priority, start with the assumption Mathew was written first, and that all 4 gospels could of been written independently of one another under the inspiration of God without consulting other gospel writings otherwise it starts with those non biblical assumptions taught at universities today, then ask it what is the earliest possible date for NT books.

If you are interested in Daniel ask it to explain the 4 beasts in Daniel, and their relation to Babylonian astronomy, and also the metals of the statue, and their relationship to Babylonian astronomy. The 4 beasts were 4 zodiac signs, and the metals were also associated with planets. The God of Daniel is using Babylonian religious symbols/language to tell them what will happen in the future, and letting them know the God of Daniel was different than their Gods, and could actually predict the future.
Also ask it to show every single OT verse about restoring the kingdom to Israel, reuniting the northern, and southern kingdom, and reuniting the exiled tribes. It is a long list. Then ask it to show how all those events happened on Pentecost. I have upgraded to the premium which is free for the first month then 20 US a month after that. The OT kingdom of Israel was restored on Pentecost, remnant regathered from all nations, third temple the church the Israel of God was born in a day. All remnant lost sheep Israel was saved via belief in Jesus by 70 AD which was the 144 000 in Rev 7. Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-02T16:54:52-0600

samaus123456789 said:
Yeh. You have to ask it specific chapters. For what you posted it got the first 3 right but the 4th wrong as it is still future. Chat GPT is great for past events but can not explain future bible prophecy as by the very definition can not be trained on data that does not exist. The last kingdom of Dan 2/7 overlaps with Revelation 13- they are the same kingdom so for example ask it to show the similarities between the last kingdom of Dan 2/7, and Rev 13. I figured this out myself- Rev 13:18 links back to king Solomon which links to the modern country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram but chat GPT can not know that. I can post all the bible verses if you want.
Daniel was written in the 500s BC, and yes it was prophecy when it was written but all of it happened by 70 AD except last kingdom of Dan 2/7. So ask it to show how Daniel 8 ended in Maccabees for example. Or ask it when Edom, Moab, and Ammon ceased to exist to know how Daniel 11 had to end before then sometime (before 70 AD sometime). Ask it to show how Ezekiel 38,39 happened in Esther or how Zechariah 14 happened in Maccabees ( it doesn't know about the Mt of Olives part as that is not recorded in 1/2 Maccabees but had to of happened then- the MT would of closed back up after like the red sea). I suppose someone might have to know when the prophecies happened before hand to ask it specific questions, and then it shows the language, and concept connection between the prophecy, and the event in a later book written about past tense.
Ask it to show the internal date, and claim to authorship of all OT books or NT books (note all NT books were written before 70 AD). IF doing proper study of the NT have to tell it- reject Markan priority, start with the assumption Mathew was written first, and that all 4 gospels could of been written independently of one another under the inspiration of God without consulting other gospel writings otherwise it starts with those non biblical assumptions taught at universities today, then ask it what is the earliest possible date for NT books.

If you are interested in Daniel ask it to explain the 4 beasts in Daniel, and their relation to Babylonian astronomy, and also the metals of the statue, and their relationship to Babylonian astronomy. The 4 beasts were 4 zodiac signs, and the metals were also associated with planets. The God of Daniel is using Babylonian religious symbols/language to tell them what will happen in the future, and letting them know the God of Daniel was different than their Gods, and could actually predict the future.
Also ask it to show every single OT verse about restoring the kingdom to Israel, reuniting the northern, and southern kingdom, and reuniting the exiled tribes. It is a long list. Then ask it to show how all those events happened on Pentecost. I have upgraded to the premium which is free for the first month then 20 US a month after that. The OT kingdom of Israel was restored on Pentecost, remnant regathered from all nations, third temple the church the Israel of God was born in a day. All remnant lost sheep Israel was saved via belief in Jesus by 70 AD which was the 144 000 in Rev 7. Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future.

In the Scripture it says the 4th beast deadly wound will heal Rev13:3, so it was past and future.

And if we look at history, the timeline of this matches perfectly.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T17:04:42-0600

Rev 13, and last kingdom of Dan 2,7 are still future. Sounds like the first beast in Rev 13 which is a person will survive an assassination attempt.

Here is the explanation of Rev 13

https://www.academia.edu/145073793/Revelation_13_mark_of_the_beast_hexagram

Interestingly enough spiritually satanic leaven of the Pharisees "Israel" had a deadly would 70 AD when God used the Romans to destroy it, and kill the people that killed Jesus but now since the 1900s that deadly wound has healed however that is not what it means as I stated above.

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1) Daniel’s timeline structure (Bible)

Daniel 2: four kingdoms, then divided phase, then God’s kingdom

Daniel 7: fourth beast → ten horns → little horn

2) Where history is legitimately used (mapping unnamed kingdoms)

3) The iron + clay step

4) what the Bible can conclude

Bible can conclude (criteria):

5) A Bible-first, history-second statement

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1) Daniel’s timeline structure (Bible)​

Daniel 2: four kingdoms, then divided phase, then God’s kingdom​

Daniel 7: fourth beast → ten horns → little horn​

2) Where history is legitimately used (mapping unnamed kingdoms)​

3) The iron + clay step​

4) what the Bible can conclude​

Bible can conclude (criteria):​

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5) A Bible-first, history-second statement​

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1) Daniel’s timeline structure (Bible)

Daniel 2: four kingdoms, then divided phase, then God’s kingdom

Daniel 7: fourth beast → ten horns → little horn

2) Where history is legitimately used (mapping unnamed kingdoms)

3) The iron + clay step

4) what the Bible can conclude

Bible can conclude (criteria):

5) A Bible-first, history-second statement