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GOD'S REAL ISRAEL AND THE TRUE CHURCH?

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Absolutely brother eleos1954, nice to see someone who studies God's WORD for themselves. This is also why God's true church (Israel who are all those who believe and follow God's WORD) is not a church organisation or denomination can be anywhere. All those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and are living up to all the truth God has revealed to them through his Word are his people.

This is what I believe the BOOK of REVELATION 18:1-5. That the churches will fall away from following God's WORD. God's people are in all these churches but God is a Spirit and those that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 10:16; JOHN 4:24. Before the jugments of God are poured out God will call his people out from all the churches to worship him in Spirit and in truth according to his Word before the Mark of the Beast linked is given.

Thanks for sharing eleos1954, great post

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
The process of calling GODS people out of all the churches began a long time ago. The great deception began a long time ago. These are not events that spring up suddenly at the end of the age but have been ongoing since the days of the Apostles. It is that the deception has grown great, it built up over time. I do not belong to any of the world’s churches. GOD alone adds to HIS church, HE calls and chooses. Come out from among them and be you separate, touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you, the unclean thing is the world’s false churches. The number of true Christians is extremely small. Many called, few chosen, fear not little flock, wherever two or three are gathered together, more are the children of the desolate than of the married wife. The true church is scattered to the four winds and is unknown by the world’s churches. The true church is taught by GOD through Jesus Christ, no man, no human minister needed. The true church is the Israel of GOD, the 12 tribes scattered abroad, spiritual Israel. The true church is GODS elect saints called and chosen by GOD from Jews and Gentiles, the first to trust in Christ, the redeemed of the Earth.
 
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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL AND CHURCH? (Part 1/2)

ISRAEL (God’s new name given to Jacob) had 12 sons which make up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL

GENESIS 35:22-26 [22], ... Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: [23], The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: [24], The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin: [25], And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali: [26], And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are the sons of Jacob, who were born to him in Paddanaram.

God’s promise of the NEW COVENANT is to ISRAEL…

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD: [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

144, 000 Come out of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL…

REVELATION 7:3-8 [3], Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. [4], And I heard the number of them who were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5], Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6], Of the tribe of Asher were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh were sealed twelve thousand. [7], Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8], Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Now we have shown the origin of the name ISRAEL let's look at the scripture in detail in the NEW TESTAMENT scripture to see who God's ISRAEL is...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

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Question; What are your thoughts? Is God's true ISRAEL the Church?

God bless..
You and I are in agreement. I am interested to know what else GOD has taught you.
 
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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL AND CHURCH? (Part 1/2)

ISRAEL (God’s new name given to Jacob) had 12 sons which make up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL

GENESIS 35:22-26 [22], ... Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: [23], The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: [24], The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin: [25], And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali: [26], And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are the sons of Jacob, who were born to him in Paddanaram.

God’s promise of the NEW COVENANT is to ISRAEL…

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD: [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

144, 000 Come out of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL…

REVELATION 7:3-8 [3], Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. [4], And I heard the number of them who were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5], Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6], Of the tribe of Asher were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh were sealed twelve thousand. [7], Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8], Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Now we have shown the origin of the name ISRAEL let's look at the scripture in detail in the NEW TESTAMENT scripture to see who God's ISRAEL is...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

............

CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

............

Question; What are your thoughts? Is God's true ISRAEL the Church?

God bless..
It helps also to know that the carnal nation of Israel with all the law, the Ten Commandments and the law of Moses, was only a shadow and not the reality which only by rituals and carnal works symbolized things Christ would establish and fulfill. Jesus did not need to abolish the old covenant because he brought a new one that is separate from the old. The old covenant, the Ten Commandments and all the law still exists in full force to condemn all unconverted to death. It was the ministry of death. The ministry of the spirit that has far greater glory than the Ten Commandments is what the church is under and not the law. There is only one definition for sin for all people who are carnal, unconverted, and that is transgression of the law. It doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile the same law condemns the entire unconverted world. The church has escaped this condemnation by being in Christ. If Gentiles were not under the law then they could not sin. It is just that Gentiles never practiced the law, not that they were not under it. Romans 3:9 Romans 3:23 Romans 11:32 Galatians 3:22 Romans 3:19 Gentiles were without the law but still were under the law. Paul often preached to the Gentiles things about the law, not to get them to keep it but to show them it condemned them as well as the Jews but some people do not understand this and take those verses as Paul telling Gentiles to keep the law. Was not the book of Romans written to Gentiles, Romans 11:13 GOD doesn’t have different rules for different people or different judgment for different people, HE is not a respecter of persons. The elect saints have been called out of all of this and like Christ are not of this creation, they are a new creation in Christ and as such part of that new creation and all of what was in the old creation gone. The true Israel of GOD are even now the sons of GOD. We are waiting for our change to come, to be recreated as glorified spirit beings, immortal, impeccable and in the full stature and measure of Christ. 2 Corinthians 3:18 Romans 8:29 1 John 3:2 Philippians 3:21 Psalm 17:15 KJV (the translation of this verse in Psalm 17 in many bibles is very poor). GOD made Adam a shadow of HIMSELF. Adam was incomplete and needed further spiritual development but failed the test of the trees and he and we all became sin. Jesus, the second Adam, made it possible for Christians to have the hope of becoming truly recreated to be after GODS image and according to HIS likeness. Genesis 1 didn’t work but Genesis 2 will. The church is the second Eve being pregnant with the future sons of GOD and will be delivered when Christ returns. This is as Paul says, a great mystery.
 
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Gentiles were grafted into the olive tree to replace the unbelieving Israelites. James wrote to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. The elect are constantly called the church by Jesus and the Apostles. The elect in Revelation 7 & 14 is the church.
the elect in Revelation 7 and 14 represent the church, specifically the end-time "remnant church" that remains faithful to God and keeps His commandments during the final days
 
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There were saints before Pentecost, do some research. Grace is older than the carnal nation of Israel. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, King David , Able, Enoch, Noah and all the prophets are part of the foundation of the church according to Paul.
Sainthood signifies a positional status in Christ—being set apart by God for His special use and purpose. It does not imply sinless perfection, but a calling to live a life that reflects God's moral purity.

Just to clarify ...

The term "saints" in the New Testament epistles is used by Paul to address living members of the church (e.g., in Rome, Corinth, and Philippi), not just deceased individuals who have been canonized by a church.
 
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Sainthood signifies a positional status in Christ—being set apart by God for His special use and purpose. It does not imply sinless perfection, but a calling to live a life that reflects God's moral purity.

Just to clarify ...

The term "saints" in the New Testament epistles is used by Paul to address living members of the church (e.g., in Rome, Corinth, and Philippi), not just deceased individuals who have been canonized by a church.
Incorrect. Paul says, Ephesians 2:19,20. The whole building including the foundation is a dwelling place for GODS SPIRIT. Furthermore, in Hebrews 11:40 these preChrist saints of the same faith as you and I will be in the first resurrection with us, and only the church is in the first resurrection. These preChrist saints are the root of the olive tree in Romans 11:18 We, you and I are children of Abraham according to faith, the same faith Abraham and all these ancient saints had. The church did not begin on Pentecost. Pentecost was stage 2 the calling of the Gentiles. This is one reason why Paul is the dominant writer of the New Testament. This is the fulfillment of the prophecy to call the Gentiles. The church goes back before the law was even given. One reason why Christ came was to confirm the covenant, the promises made to the fathers. Romans 15:8 What the vast majority of people do not know is that the promises, the new covenant was given to Abraham but needed confirmation by Jesus Christ. This is the real reason why Jesus was baptized by John, to fulfill all righteousness. John didn’t even have the authority to baptize with the Holy Spirit, that authority belonged to Jesus as confirmed by Johns own words. Matthew 3:11 and this is further proven by Acts 19:3-7 The baptism of Jesus was also the fulfillment of the sign given to John to identify the messiah. John 1:33 Many people fail to live by every word of GOD. What I have written here is true but I can’t prove it to anyone because only GOD can open a persons eyes to see and ears to hear. The information I have given here can be used to correct many errors that exist in understanding but only the church has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of GOD to all others it has not be given. Matthew 13:11 The one called, Loves Gods Word, has knowledge and he may know these things as well.
 
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