Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-30T22:07:24-0600

Richard T said:
In Trump's group of 19 nations,

Please list those countries or provide a source. Thank you in advance.

Yttrium · 2025-11-30T22:29:38-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
That is a fair and honest answer. So you agree that the limited resources are limited. Would it fair to propose cutting off the flow of incoming immigrants until the limited resources are better allocated to the ones who need it while screening put the ones who are manipulating and taking advantage of it?

No.

By the same token, you could say "hey, let's cut off social security until we've screened out all the frauds". Or "hey, let's cancel all airline flights until we check out those chemtrail claims". We have a screening process in place. We can work to improve it without cutting it off entirely for who knows how long.

Mind you, I'm not opposed to making it more difficult to immigrate to the US. Fine by me. But there are plenty of people who are trying to get here legitimately, and it would be unfair to block them due to an overreaction.

Now, if it turns out that Trump went and fired half the screeners, that's his own fault.

Richard T · 2025-11-30T22:33:33-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Please list those countries or provide a source. Thank you in advance.

Here is a list of the most Christian Countries by %. Most Christian Countries 2025

Here is a list of the 19 nations that were banned. A Guide to the Countries on Trump’s 2025 Travel Ban List
Here is a list of nations that are not low income.
From google AI which sorted the lists by income, I got these results for full bans

Iran (Upper-middle income)
Libya (Upper-middle income)
Myanmar (Burma) (Lower-middle income)
Sudan (Lower-middle income)
Syria (Low income, but was middle income prior to civil war)
Yemen (Low income, but was middle income prior to civil war)
Haiti (Lower-middle income

For partial bans, I got these nations

Venezuela (Upper-middle income)
Cuba (Upper-middle income)
Nigeria (Lower-middle income)
Kyrgyzstan (Lower-middle income)
Tanzania (Lower-middle income)
Laos (Lower-middle income)
Sierra Leone (Low income)
Togo (Low income)
Turkmenistan (Upper-middle income)
Burundi (Low income)

I admit I am surprised that some of these nations like Cuba are not low income. But the upper-middle nations make the use of "third world" a poorer descriptor than it already is.

Servus · 2025-11-30T22:53:52-0600

rambot said:
I have it on good authority your tax dollars were used to pay a maintenance work in Yellowstone National Park. I hope that's alright.

It's presumptuous entitlement to think you'd get to manage every cent of the tax dollars given out by the govt.

It's okay to disapprove of how tax dollars are spent in this country and to express that disapproval. Your admonishments of "you are in no position to adjudicate" along with "presumptuous entitlement" are pure poppycock.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-30T23:41:42-0600

Yttrium said:
No.

By the same token, you could say "hey, let's cut off social security until we've screened out all the frauds". Or "hey, let's cancel all airline flights until we check out those chemtrail claims". We have a screening process in place. We can work to improve it without cutting it off entirely for who knows how long.

Mind you, I'm not opposed to making it more difficult to immigrate to the US. Fine by me. But there are plenty of people who are trying to get here legitimately, and it would be unfair to block them due to an overreaction.

Now, if it turns out that Trump went and fired half the screeners, that's his own fault.

If you have not already noticed, the country is hemorrhaging with a multitude of immigrants who have no desire to assimilate, along with a multitude of citizens who just want to suck on the tite of the American tax payer. So frankly, due to failed democratic policies as you have mentioned, we are now in a position where we cannot afford to take on any more leaches of the global society. It is now a situation of whether you contribute to America, or find another gravy train elsewhere. This applies not only to immigrants, but also to U.S. citizens.

So I say "Yes!," let's cut the hemorrhage to deal with our own in-house issues. Then, once we have cut the leaches, we can then address the needs of those outside the country.

Servus · 2025-12-01T01:18:37-0600

Don't know why anyone would want to campaign for welfare leeches (people capable of supporting themselves), and an overflow of illegal immigrants, or an overflow of immigrants period. Do they honestly think that creates a good society?

wing2000 · 2025-12-01T08:20:02-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
If you have not already noticed, the country is hemorrhaging with a multitude of immigrants who have no desire to assimilate, along with a multitude of citizens who just want to suck on the tite of the American tax payer.

No, I have not noticed that.

I do notice Americans are not stepping up to fill the labor gap left by Trump's immigration raids. Immigrants are hard working people that understand the value of the dollar. Immigrants have fueld our economy throughout our country's history. Likewise, some Americans have always blamed them for their own lack of perceived progress.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-01T08:26:47-0600

wing2000 said:
No, I have not noticed that.

I do notice Americans are not stepping up to fill the labor gap left by Trump's immigration raids. Immigrants are hard working people that understand the value of the dollar. Immigrants have fueld our economy throughout our country's history. Likewise, some Americans have always blamed them for their own lack of perceived progress.

Eveybody loves the free market until they're on the losing end of it.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-01T08:30:22-0600

Servus said:
Don't know why anyone would want to campaign for welfare leeches (people capable of supporting themselves), and an overflow of illegal immigrants, or an overflow of immigrants period. Do they honestly think that creates a good society?

It creates a better society than the crypto-religious corporatocracy that MAGA seems to have in mind.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-01T08:40:01-0600

wing2000 said:
No, I have not noticed that.

I do notice Americans are not stepping up to fill the labor gap left by Trump's immigration raids. Immigrants are hard working people that understand the value of the dollar. Immigrants have fueld our economy throughout our country's history. Likewise, some Americans have always blamed them for their own lack of perceived progress.

Great, another liberal who justifies human trafficking and exploiting illegal immigrants for cheap labor. But whatever is necessary to keep strawberry prices low.

Servus · 2025-12-01T08:48:05-0600

BCP1928 said:
It creates a better society than the crypto-religious corporatocracy that MAGA seems to have in mind.

So it's about combating a fairytale.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-01T09:13:13-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Great, another liberal who justifies human trafficking and exploiting illegal immigrants for cheap labor. But whatever is necessary to keep strawberry prices low.

No, it's the Right who want to exploit the cheap labor. Asylum seekers and refugees are here under color of law (even if you don't think so) and are protected by US labor law. It's the actual illegals who are being exploited because they are not. That's why, except for the occasional show raid, ICE is leaving them alone. But you already know that.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-01T09:14:26-0600

Servus said:
So it's about combating a fairytale.

Ultimately, yes: the toxic myth of American Exceptionnalism.

FaithT · 2025-12-01T10:13:09-0600

Servus said:
Don't know why anyone would want to campaign for welfare leeches (people capable of supporting themselves), and an overflow of illegal immigrants, or an overflow of immigrants period. Do they honestly think that creates a good society?

My grandparents were immigrants and I’m glad they made it to America.

wing2000 · 2025-12-01T10:18:43-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Great, another liberal who justifies human trafficking and exploiting illegal immigrants for cheap labor. But whatever is necessary to keep strawberry prices low.

I fail to see how my comments qualify as liberal. After all, people of all stripes, including Donald Trump, have relied on immigrant labor.

Servus · 2025-12-01T10:20:39-0600

BCP1928 said:
Ultimately, yes: the toxic myth of American Exceptionnalism.

Yes the myths the left makes up about the right.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-01T10:24:11-0600

Servus said:
Yes the myths the left makes up about the right.

No, that myth was definitely made up buy the right, and being promoted by right-wing garbage factories like Hillsdale 'College and Prager U.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-01T13:01:59-0600

BCP1928 said:
No, it's the Right who want to exploit the cheap labor.

Tell that to the sex slaves and the illegal migrants still paying off their debts to the cartels so you can have cheap produce.

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