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No, but you seem to argue that sex determines clothing?
Society determines what clothing is tied to what sex. What does that have to do with your argument that sex and gender are different?
But what clothing is related to which gender is a social convention, not a biological one.
But what clothing is related to which sex is a social convention. Not a biological one. I never claimed otherwise.
This is an example of when it is useful to have the sex-gender distinction.
You dont need a distinction. Ira tge same thing.
Their society. Then you can see them interact with each other you can, talk to them yourself. Start building a mental model of their society.
And quickly determine what sex they are.
Which is the same thing as sex. There isnt any difference. And you haven't been able to show a difference. Anytime you use the word gender the word sex can be used instead.
Only a few,
Then it cannot be the cause of transgenderism.
 
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Society determines what clothing is tied to what sex. What does that have to do with your argument that sex and gender are different?
It is widely used to differentiate whether the connection is a biological one or a social/cultural one. That is why for example researchers find it useful.
But what clothing is related to which sex is a social convention. Not a biological one. I never claimed otherwise.
The connection between chromosomes or gametes and secondary sex characteristics is of a different category than the connection between gender and fashion. That is why some find it useful to use different words.
You dont need a distinction. Ira tge same thing.
See above.
And quickly determine what sex they are.
What gender they are.
Which is the same thing as sex. There isnt any difference. And you haven't been able to show a difference. Anytime you use the word gender the word sex can be used instead.
I've explicitly talked about the difference in this post. There is a loss of specificity though.
Then it cannot be the cause of transgenderism.
Who said it was? I just wanted to show that chromosomes are not perfect markers for sex.
 
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It is widely used to differentiate whether the connection
I think it can be both. I still don't see how it shows the difference between gender and sex.
different category than the connection between gender and fashion. That is why some find it useful to use different words.
Sure, but the words mean the same thing. Gender and fashion is the same thing as sex and fashion. Thats why gender means sex and sex means gender.
See above.
See above.
What gender they are.
Thats because sex and gender are the same thing. After all the observations you determine quickly that the person is a male or female. When you determine they are a male you have determine ed their sex AND gender at the same time.
 
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I've explicitly talked about the difference in this post. There is a loss of specificity though.
No you havent. You have used the word gender at times and I have used the word sex for the exact same thing. Thats because they are the exact same thing.
Who said it was? I just wanted to show that chromosomes are not perfect markers for sex.
They are the markers of what is normal. That is why we can determine what is abnormal. Just like normal humans have two arms and two legs. But sometimes we have people born who do not have any number of those. However they are still human beings with a birth defect. They are not the norm for the species. Defects in genetics do not determine the norm. And this particular discussion is NOT about genetic defects. It is about transgenderism.

And the syndrome you mentioned has nothing to do with that. So I won't bother responding to that argument anymore becauae it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Which is transgenderism.
 
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I think this is beautiful. As the USA is poised to invade Venezuela, this is the kind of thread that REALLY gets people talking.

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