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Why would anyone expect the president to be as smart as the White House lawyers in crafting Executive Branch documentation?

....re Venezuela:

Many of the lawyers and other career officials at the White House National Security Council, Pentagon and Justice Department who had over the preceding months raised concerns about using lethal force against narcotraffickers had either left government or were reassigned or removed.

Proposed findings are typically reviewed by lawyers at the CIA and other agencies, including the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and Justice, State and Defense departments. Then an interagency review is conducted, usually overseen by the NSC’s legal adviser.

But by summer, the NSC’s entire full-time legal staff of about half a dozen was gone. Some left when their details ended and others — including the shop’s top lawyer, former Pentagon general counsel Paul Ney — were let go in a May staff shake-up, three former officials said. Ney had been among the lawyers who had raised concerns about the legality of lethal strikes, the former officials said.

A senior administration official said that Ney left because “the original NSC legal versus White House Counsel’s Office structure never worked,” and praised the moves as achieving efficiency that gives the president “more visibility into his foreign policy agenda.”
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The NSC legal adviser vacancy in particular is significant, said Carrie Cordero, a national security lawyer in the George W. Bush and Obama administrations, who is now a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security. “The absence of a seasoned national security lawyer serving in that role means that the principals in the White House are not getting the best national security legal advice that they can.”
Meanwhile, career civilian lawyers at the Defense Department had largely been cut out of cartel strike discussions by the political leadership.



IOW, the legal framework that normally reviews a President's propsective orders.....no longer exist.
 
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....re Venezuela:

Many of the lawyers and other career officials at the White House National Security Council, Pentagon and Justice Department who had over the preceding months raised concerns about using lethal force against narcotraffickers had either left government or were reassigned or removed.

Proposed findings are typically reviewed by lawyers at the CIA and other agencies, including the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and Justice, State and Defense departments. Then an interagency review is conducted, usually overseen by the NSC’s legal adviser.

But by summer, the NSC’s entire full-time legal staff of about half a dozen was gone. Some left when their details ended and others — including the shop’s top lawyer, former Pentagon general counsel Paul Ney — were let go in a May staff shake-up, three former officials said. Ney had been among the lawyers who had raised concerns about the legality of lethal strikes, the former officials said.

A senior administration official said that Ney left because “the original NSC legal versus White House Counsel’s Office structure never worked,” and praised the moves as achieving efficiency that gives the president “more visibility into his foreign policy agenda.”
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The NSC legal adviser vacancy in particular is significant, said Carrie Cordero, a national security lawyer in the George W. Bush and Obama administrations, who is now a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security. “The absence of a seasoned national security lawyer serving in that role means that the principals in the White House are not getting the best national security legal advice that they can.”
Meanwhile, career civilian lawyers at the Defense Department had largely been cut out of cartel strike discussions by the political leadership.



IOW, the legal framework that normally reviews a President's propsective orders.....no longer exist.
He's still got his Saul Goodmans to write legalese better than he can, which is my point. Of course he has lawyers to put his intentions into the proper legal language...he's not doing it himself, and who seriously expects him to do it himself.
 
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You mean the media frequently criticizes THIS administration. We saw little of that with Obama and Biden.
This is not a competition; this is democracy. If the media refrained from publishing negative coverage about Obama, it does not mean they cannot report critically on President Trump. In a democracy, it is important to support the media's right to report as they see fit. Publishing unfavorable information about an administration is not undemocratic; rather, it is the act of attacking the media for such reporting that undermines democratic principles. Anyone who cares about democracy should support the media, even if they disagree with its coverage.
 
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That's a very low bar....
My point is: We can't expect the military to save us from 20 years of bad voting choices. No element of the Executive Branch can stop Trump without destroying itself. Only the other branches of government have the Constitutional authority to check another.
 
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From Saturday night ALL CAPS SESSION.

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FBI seeks to interview Sen. Mark Kelly, other Democrats Trump accused of seditious behavior

  • The FBI plans to interview Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona and five other congressional Democrats in connection with their appearance in a video encouraging members of the U.S. military to refuse to follow illegal orders.
Slotkin said the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division “appeared to open an inquiry into me in response to a video President Trump did not like.”

“The President directing the FBI to target us is exactly why we made this video in the first place,” Slotkin said in a tweet. “He believes in weaponizing the federal government against his perceived enemies and does not believe laws apply to him or his Cabinet. He uses legal harassment as an intimidation tactic to scare people out of speaking up.”

On Monday, a group of Democratic senators, including Kelly and Slotkin, wrote Hegseth and Attorney General Pam Bondi to request that they declassify a Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel’s written opinion from September on the domestic and international legal basis for the strikes [on boats alleged to have drugs and drug smugglers aboard].
 
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Someone on Reddit posted this:

I used to do military comms and am now an editor for military publications, and I think the Secretary was wrong to say "reversed," but there is a swap that needs to be done on Kelly's uniform. The second row of medals in the photo, starting with the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, should be swapped with the third row, starting with the Navy Achievement Medal. I assume this is what Hegseth was referring to with "reversed."
If we're talking about medal rows that include an Expeditionary Medal and a Navy Achievement Medal, we're down into the "participation trophy" levels, below the "I actually did important hero stuff" level. And he does have some genuine "hero stuff" medals at the top.

Nobody seriously cares about that bottom stuff that practically everyone has; most people stop at the astronaut wings at the top.

But seriously, this is stuff that some grumpy old retired guy like me might bring up while eating a slider at the VFW, before someone brings up the football playoffs as a much more interesting topic.

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Who threatened the lives of anyone. Surely you aren't referring to the president are you? I don't recall him saying he was going to kill anyone.
He did not say that he personally would put the noose around their necks and pull the trapdoor lever, but he did call for them to be hanged and otherwise executed.

Hot rhetoric!
 
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Trump is simply despicable and those who defend his abuse of power in seeking revenge share in his despicability. There I had to invent a nee word to fit his character,
 
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This man does all this man stuff but is still somehow a child.
Don't insult children like that. They don't know any better. The only excuse this DWI hire has for his behavior is that this administration seems to invite his type.
 
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FBI seeks to interview Sen. Mark Kelly, other Democrats Trump accused of seditious behavior

  • The FBI plans to interview Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona and five other congressional Democrats in connection with their appearance in a video encouraging members of the U.S. military to refuse to follow illegal orders.
Slotkin said the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division “appeared to open an inquiry into me in response to a video President Trump did not like.”

“The President directing the FBI to target us is exactly why we made this video in the first place,” Slotkin said in a tweet. “He believes in weaponizing the federal government against his perceived enemies and does not believe laws apply to him or his Cabinet. He uses legal harassment as an intimidation tactic to scare people out of speaking up.”

On Monday, a group of Democratic senators, including Kelly and Slotkin, wrote Hegseth and Attorney General Pam Bondi to request that they declassify a Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel’s written opinion from September on the domestic and international legal basis for the strikes [on boats alleged to have drugs and drug smugglers aboard].

....diverting Conterterrorism agents from rounding up illegal immigrants?
 
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