MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

Marilyn C · Sunday at 10:49 PM

eclipsenow said:
You're smothering the question with other theology. Good points - as far as I can tell.

But not answering the main question I ask futurists.

Are you a futurist still? Maybe I'm speaking at cross purposes.

How has the majority of this book been relevant to the church if it's mainly about the last generation that will ever live?

John's friends in Asia Minor were being fed to lions, and futurists would pretend he says "You think that's bad - wait till you see what's coming in 2000 years!"

Ok eclipsenow,

So if John`s friends in Asia Minor were being fed to the lions (I agree) then most of what is written in Rev. 2 & 3 does not apply to them. And then also it does not all apply to us unless you see the remnants of those church`s conditions around today.

I see Rev. 4 as future and thus the judgments of the Lord future as to judging the world system - Politically, Economically and Religiously.

And I don`t know about `smothering` but revealing what the Lord is doing. That is the great encouragement for ALL centuries of believers - past, present and future.

contratodo · 2025-11-25T02:14:39-0600

Jipsah said:
Unfortunately that requires a nonexistent cosmology as well As imaginary space men in equally imaginary flying saucers

If you believe the earth is a ball spinning in outer space among billions of other planets, I don't see how you can not believe in some life in one of those other planets. It makes sense if one believes the foundational lies.

The idea that spacemen and flying saucers are real is the blaspheme the beast will be speaking.

I hope you see what I am saying, the blaspheme that the beast will say, is related to the stars, related to what is outside of the sky, that is what the Bible says Daniel 8:10-12 Revelation 13:6 and therefore the idea that we are on a spinning ball surrounded by other planets is part of the beasts blaspheme, cleverly crept in by his agents and men in the office of the beast. When the day comes, and it is soon to come, that the mainstream starts giving fearful info about supposed sm&fs, those believing the foundational lies, would have a hard time not being further deceived.

El diablo es un mentiroso. Extraterrstres son la mentira del diablo. The devil is a liar, aliens are the devil's lie.

contratodo · 2025-11-25T02:37:35-0600

eclipsenow said:
Just as one must learn ancient Greek in inner theological school, to understand revelation one has to understand how the ancient world used these apocalyptic symbols, which requires reading some of the other apocalyptic symbolism of the time.

I did four years of Greek in Bible college. The text is clear, the beast will speak blaspheme about those in heaven. Those outside of the sky.

Daniel Martinovich · 2025-11-25T20:21:26-0600

LoveGodsWord said:
Seems to me like there is so many versions of bible Prophecy as their are Christian religions. So how are we to know who is right and who is wrong?

I am kind of amazed that there is zero curiosity about the fact that from the first year of the times of the gentiles, when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judea until Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD is 666 years. I mean that is what that part of Revelation is about. The times or age of the four gentile empires. Why would it not be relevant then? Why every crazy interpretation that can possibly be imagined other than the one that is relevant to the subject matter? 597 BC - 70 AD by the way. There is no year zero making it 666 years.

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