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Eve and the Fallacy of Moral Choices

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NotreDame said:
For example, what does “lawlessness was already at work within both Adam…Eve” mean?
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Cited Mark 7:21-23, that evil thoughts defile everyone, A&E included, and referenced by Paul here for example:

Romans 11:32

For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

In addition to sin being "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

I know the drive to blame Adam and Eve and leave out the DEVIL from the equations is strong, and this happens when we are in denial of having the tempter in our own minds. It's a given principle in scripture.

NotreDame said:
Simply, there’s nothing in the plain text meaning or textual meaning of that Genesis verse claiming, alleging, inferring, or implying Eve had or experienced “lust.”
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Just addressed with bling above if you want to browse it

In any case Eve was clearly contemplating BREAKING GODS COMMAND in her MIND prior to eating i.e. LAWLESS THOUGHTS against God's Command, even stating the command erroneously, adding to God's Words (another violation).

Let's just say that believers who only condemn Adam and Eve and leave the DEVIL, the TEMPTER out of the picture clearly missed the picture for them, and more than likely miss it for themselves as well, to this day
 
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RDKirk said:
Romans 7:7–11 is the classic passage where Paul identifies the dynamic that the giving of a law creates an occasion for sinful desire. To put it another way, the command itself provokes the impulse to violate it.
Sin as a reality precedes knowledge. Wrong actions are objectively wrong, even if the person does not yet know.
Moral responsibility begins with knowledge. Once awareness arrives, the person is accountable for the wrongdoing. This principle appears dozens of times in Scripture.
Legal guilt is tied to command + knowledge. The command creates the standard. Knowledge triggers accountability. Before knowledge, there is sin but not accountability.
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Before existence of command, there is no sin of which to be guilty. There was no command between Adam and Moses.

'Where there is no law, there is no transgression." (Ro 4:15)
 
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BelieveItOarKnot said:
As do I, for the devil and his messengers. That much I think most of us can agree on.
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Since God has the power to send the Devil and his messengers to hell, why were they ever allowed to spent time on earth? What is their purpose for being here?
BelieveItOarKnot said:
It may surprise you if you haven't actually studied this matter out, but just for kicks, do you know that in the entire Bible there is not one single named person said to be in hell now, or in the future?

Go figure. What everyone takes as a fact has no named person as and example.

And, again, just for kicks, not one named person is even threatened with such a fate in the entire Bible.

Again, go figure.
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People who go to hell are to be forgotten, which being annihilated would help provide. So why have their names?
BelieveItOarKnot said:
Well, you see, using your conclusion, it is God Himself who burns His Own children alive forever.

Is God some kind of sickO or what? Just think about what you're thinking here. It's bizarre.
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I said they are annihilated, some sooner than later.

These people would be extremely unhappy in heaven, since they have repeatedly shown a discus for Charity and there is only charity in heaven. Earth has served its purpose and is gone, with only heaven with God and a place without God including annihilation left.
BelieveItOarKnot said:
And you simply fail to SEE that people are blinded by the god of this world, just like we were. Uh, that would be THE DEVIL. And you just forgot that part and now only see and blame people. And GUESS WHO does that in people?

Uh, huh. Not you.
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Man’s earthly objective drives everything (as it should), but you seem to have satan driving everything on earth, leaving man without an objective. The Devil is a tempter, but humans have free will to allow satan entry and allow him to stay.
BelieveItOarKnot said:
It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots on the subject.

Lust of the flesh:
Gen 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food

Lust of the eyes:
Gen 6- it was pleasant to the eyes

The pride of life:
Gen 6- a tree to be desired to make one wise

And lust stems from:
John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do

Eve's sins are no different than the sin of anyone else: "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

But try as a person might to get anyone to actually see this connection is problematic when they are still in the grips.

Paul saw the connection quite clearly, showing Eve and the tempter IN MIND:

2 Cor. 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Satan not only operates in our minds thought temptations, he sins in words through our bodies, such as speaking through Peter to Jesus' face no less. Even entering the body of Judas to betray Jesus.

It's one of the most obvious things in the scriptures, but alas, not many really believe it happens to THEMSELVES. And in such Satan has successfully HIDDEN and SHIELDED himself. That's what THEY do "in people."

So you see, the opening post was about Eve, but it's really meant to pinpoint and isolate the enemy in us all.
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If we are the victim and not the criminal, with satan being the criminal, then why Does God allow satan to continue to be around and in us?

Why did God punish Eve?
BelieveItOarKnot said:
And again, that's just lack of knowledge of the scriptures on your part. Here for example we can quite easily connect DISOBEDIENCE to SATAN:

Eph. 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

The dead giveaway however to spot the PERP is people who want to burn our neighbors alive forever.

There is no greater hatred of neighbors than that. And unfortunately that infection is quite well advanced in the "body" general
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Why are humans being tortured here on earth with satan living in them?
 
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bling said:
Since God has the power to send the Devil and his messengers to hell, why were they ever allowed to spent time on earth?
What is their purpose for being here?
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See Ro 9:22-23.
 
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