the myth of flat earth debunked again

Strong in Him said:

NASA is not a word in English. It stands for

In fact, if you use the "a" in "and" it becomes NAASA
The Hebrew word for "deceive" existed long before NASA was even thought of - even long before America existed.

Oh dear; are you someone else who believes it is all a conspiracy and "they" are out to deceive us?
No doubt the people who started NASA thought, "hey, all our meticulous scientific work is all a big con; let's use the Hebrew word for 'deceive' to describe ourselves".

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Strong in Him seems like a rather bold name for such a fragile person.

Let me guess, you put your faith in Big Pharma too, all vaxxed up, maxx boosted?

In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.
Proverbs 10:19

I'll leave you to your echo chamber.

I'm out gentlemen.

Brother Del said:

Strong in Him seems like a rather bold name for such a fragile person.

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My user name is Strong in HIM. Who do you think the "him" might be, given that this is a Christian forum?

Brother Del said:

Let me guess, you put your faith in Big Pharma too, all vaxxed up, maxx boosted?

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I don't put my FAITH in "Big Pharma". I followed the NHS advice to have Covid jabs.
Given my voluntary work in a hospital, I probably wouldn't have been allowed in without them.

Is your attempt to change the subject, throw insults and cast aspersions due to the fact that I have shown you to be incorrect re your silly word games?

Brother Del said:

I have not disparaged anyone's views.

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Your first post in this thread was to disparage the heliocentric model and imply those who accept it as being deceived.

Brother Del said:

Neither have I been rude or insulting.

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It is rude and insulting to jump into the middle of a thread and make claims that have already been dealt with in the same thread.

Brother Del said:

You seem to think its fine to insult people and call them names when they disagree with you, and then get all excited when they respond in a similar fashion.

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Where have I insulted you or called you names?

Brother Del said:

I don't think you are deceived, I'm certain of it.

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So why can't you respond to any of the points I've raised?

Brother Del said:

And you are just as certain that I am deluded and in danger losing my salvation, which is a bridge too far for me.

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Making false claims is not of the Holy Spirit. Draw your own conclusions.

Brother Del said:

We can be polite, we can agree to disagree. Or you can continue being hostile and be ignored.

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You can try and respond to points I've raised regarding your false claims,

Brother Del said:

A very wise man once said, "always assume the person you are talking to knows something you don't, it makes for much better conversation, and you just might learn something"

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So what have you assumed about me?

Brother Del said:

This seems to be an almost existential issue for you, you should maybe meditate on that a bit.

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Truth is existential. I always find people making baseless claims to be annoying.

Brother Del said:

Strong in Him seems like a rather bold name for such a fragile person.

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I thought you were all about not name calling and disparaging people.

Brother Del said:

Let me guess, you put your faith in Big Pharma too, all vaxxed up, maxx boosted?

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and here come the logical fallacies.

Brother Del said:

I was honest enough to post the transliteration and the pronunciation. Nice job omitting the evidence that supported my claim.

That's not very truthful.
And laughably ironic.

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I posted the pronunciation back here. A transliteration of a word is not the word itself, and in this case doesn't reflect the phonetic spelling or pronunciation of the Hebrew word. There wasn't any evidence to omit.
If I was to say the Greek word for "lentils" out loud in polite company, people would think I was swearing, but the Greek word and what people might assume was the English word, are completely unrelated.

Brother Del said:

In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.
Proverbs 10:19

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A shame you didn't consider that before you decided to wade in here

Brother Del said:

I'll leave you to your echo chamber.

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I don't think you will be able to find your own echo chamber on these forums. We expect people who make claims to be able to back up those claims

Brother Del said:

I'm out gentlemen.

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Brother Del said:

No matter how far above the earth a person goes, the horizon always rises to eye level. This would not be so if the earth were a ball. Another observation.

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Strong in Him said:

And you accused us of only caring about reactions!

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I was being sarcastic @Warden_of_the_Storm posted about 18/20 laughing emoji's yesterday which got me very annoyed, what better way is there to make him think is was doing me a favor.

Apple Sky said:

I was being sarcastic @Warden_of_the_Storm posted about 18/20 laughing emoji's yesterday which got me very annoyed, what better way is there to make him think is was doing me a favor.

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But we didn't know that.
It came across as someone who was only happy that their score/ratings had been improved. This was what you said of some of us in another thread - that we were only posting for "likes".

Strong in Him said:

But we didn't know that.

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Sorry I should have phrased my post different.

@Warden_of_the_Storm

prodromos said:

A shame you didn't consider that before you decided to wade in here

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So who's mocking now ?

Apple Sky said:

So who's mocking now ?

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That would be me. I tend to do that to people who jump into threads making claim after claim, then don't respond with any kind of evidence when their claims are challenged.

Apple Sky said:

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You see all those stars, little dots of light in the night sky? This is how the sun should appear in the flat earth model at night, as a little dot of light, too far away to light up the sky but still visible to the naked eye. On the flat earth model the sun would always be visible 24 hours a day from anywhere on the earth, even in the middle of the night.
If someone stands on a hill outside of town at night and shines a torch back at you, you will see the torch light but the torch will not light up your living room.

Brother Del said:

Sir, I have not failed. Because I wasn't trying to convince you of anything to begin with. I presented for your observation, an alternative view. Do with it what you will.

I have no arguments to make. Why would I argue with anyone about the shape of the earth? Especially when I know already that any such argument would surely be in vain.

Standing water is always level. The molecular structure of water does not allow for it to curve over a ball. That's not an argument, its an observation.

NASA actually means to deceive in Hebrew. Again, not an argument, just an observation.

No matter how far above the earth a person goes, the horizon always rises to eye level. This would not be so if the earth were a ball. Another observation.

Satan is a liar, and the whole world, with the exception of a few faithful believers, are completely under his control. Now that's an argument. And it cannot be refuted.

Believe what you will. Search the scriptures. Draw your own conclusions. Or trust what you have always been told. It matters not to me one iota. Neither will it even slightly diminish the love I have for you in Christ.

Be well. Be blessed. Be at peace.

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You do realize that thousands of airplanes a day travel around all areas of the globe, right? You do realize that if you are in one of these thousands of planes that fly every day cruising at 35,000 feet that you can clearly see the curvature of the earth, right? Have you ever been on a plane?

Heck, let’s have some fun. Go to a pier and watch ships disappear in the horizon. What do you see? You see the bottom of the ship disappear first and then progressively disappear from bottom to top until the top of the ship disappears. Do you know why that is? Because of the curvature of a spherical earth.

The fact that the earth is a sphere is not up for debate since it has been fully proven. Any other argument going against a fully proven fact is just absurd.

God created a spherical earth that spins on its axis every 24 hours and goes around the sun every 365 days. God created every other planet in our solar system and beyond to also be a sphere. The sun and the moon are spheres. Therefore the earth is a sphere.

Hentenza said:

You do realize that thousands of airplanes a day travel around all areas of the globe, right? You do realize that if you are in one of these thousands of planes that fly every day cruising at 35,000 feet that you can clearly see the curvature of the earth, right? Have you ever been on a plane?

Heck, let’s have some fun. Go to a pier and watch ships disappear in the horizon. What do you see? You see the bottom of the ship disappear first and then progressively disappear from bottom to top until the top of the ship disappears. Do you know why that is? Because of the curvature of a spherical earth.

The fact that the earth is a sphere is not up for debate since it has been fully proven. Any other argument going against a fully proven fact is just absurd.

God created a spherical earth that spins on its axis every 24 hours and goes around the sun every 365 days. God created every other planet in our solar system and beyond to also be a sphere. The sun and the moon are spheres. Therefore the earth is a sphere.

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He's run away to find his own little echo chamber where no one will challenge his beliefs. I don't expect we will see him again in any of these threads in the near future.

Brother Del said:

I'm out gentlemen.

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That's a shame. I was hoping you could tell me why the moon appears upside down in Sydney compared to how it appears in Oregon.

Hentenza said:

You do realize that thousands of airplanes a day travel around all areas of the globe, right? You do realize that if you are in one of these thousands of planes that fly every day cruising at 35,000 feet that you can clearly see the curvature of the earth, right? Have you ever been on a plane?

Heck, let’s have some fun. Go to a pier and watch ships disappear in the horizon. What do you see? You see the bottom of the ship disappear first and then progressively disappear from bottom to top until the top of the ship disappears. Do you know why that is? Because of the curvature of a spherical earth.

The fact that the earth is a sphere is not up for debate since it has been fully proven. Any other argument going against a fully proven fact is just absurd.

God created a spherical earth that spins on its axis every 24 hours and goes around the sun every 365 days. God created every other planet in our solar system and beyond to also be a sphere. The sun and the moon are spheres. Therefore the earth is a sphere.

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In regards to airplane windows, they are all convex, much like the lens on a go pro camera. In other words, you are looking out a curved window, not at a curved earth.

Ships don't disappear over the curvature of the earth, they advance beyond your visual perspective. Have you ever been on a long narrow highway lined with telephone poles on both sides? Look ahead or behind, the poles will grow closer together and closer to the ground from your perspective. Drive down the road a mile and those same poles will be at the same height and distance from one another as you originally perceived them. Aim a camera with a telescopic lens at the ship you watched disappear beyond the horizon, magnify the zoom and it will return to view.

You plainly stated "the fact that the earth is a sphere is not up for debate". Then why may I ask are you debating it here? If you are convinced that your view of the cosmos is the correct one, and all other viewpoints are " absurd", then what is the point of further discussion?

You mentioned that it was God who created a spherical earth. It was also God who created the first humans, Adam and Eve. He created them in His own image and placed them in the garden called Paradise. They were perfect and innocent and had the presence of God Himself with them regularly. And yet, these magnificent creatures who were blessed beyond measure, and created in the very image of Almighty God, were somehow deceived by nothing more than a few simple statements and suggestions.

We live in a fallen world, with fallen natures, not a paradise but a cesspool run by none other than Satan himself. Our enemies, the world and the devil, exist in complete opposition to everything that is holy and good and true. Our enemy the flesh is so easily tempted and corrupted that we must continually guard our hearts and minds against not only the world and the devil, but our own vain thoughts and imaginations. And yet, in light of these obvious spiritual realities, your average believer cannot even allow for the possibility that this evil and fallen world in which we live, just may be misrepresenting Gods creation, how such misrepresentations would obviously benefit them, or that ever falling victim to such a misrepresentation could ever be possible.

I have already asked, why are you here if there is nothing to debate?

Have you ever wondered why we are here? Do you think those of us who disagree with you come here because we enjoy the insults, being called idiots and wingnuts and repeatedly being accused of having no discernment or wisdom and many times even being told that we can't even possibly be true Christian believers etc etc? Are we masochists? Trolls? Enemies sent by the devil himself to stir up division? No to all of these.

I can't speak for anyone else, though I know enough people who share my views to confidently say, we are here because at some point in our lives we realized that this world is an empire of lies, ruled by none other than the father of lies, and that a great deal of what we have been told our entire lives served no other purpose than to distract and deceive us into accepting and believing even more lies which would eventually separate us from any knowledge of Almighty God, His creation, His divine purposes, and ultimately His very existence.

That what you call science, and established facts have already had this effect is beyond dispute. The theory of evolution being a prime example. How many people will never believe in God based upon that one scientific theory alone, how many others raised in the faith have abandoned that faith because of the things they were taught as facts during the process of higher education? God only knows.

We are here because at some point we realized that what we were told did not align with what we have observed. Do we claim to have all the answers, of course not. What we do have are a wealth insufficiently answered questions. And the God given ability to question those things which we can observably see as unsupported by the commonly accepted answers provided by the so called scientific community and generally accepted by the indoctrinated public at large.

God bless you.