the myth of flat earth debunked again

Akita Suggagaki · Aug 25, 2024

Ophiolite said:
It has always struck me as weird. Metaphor is at the heart of language. To my knowledge this has been so for millenia. We tell tales using all kinds of rhetorical devices and images and comparisons and analogies, in order to tell a greater truth and yet all of the power and richness and diversity is discarded and denied in place of a dry, empty literal desert. How sad.

I am just awakening to "Communication" and Rhetorical studies. All the way back to Romans and Greeks. So much.

It's like arguing over whether a turtle really raced a hare and missing the point.

Astrophile · Aug 26, 2024

prodromos said:
Excuse me? What do you mean by "your version of Christianity" in reference to @Aussie Pete who identifies as Non Denom?

Also, you are responding to the beginning of a thread that is now over 1000 posts. You are a bit late to the party and I doubt you've taken the time to read all the responses. Do you honestly think you are bringing something new to the discussion?

I apologise for taking so long to respond to the thread; I was uncertain about the issues under discussion, and whether I could contribute anything useful. However, I now think that I can say something new.

As I see it, this is an epistemic matter. Aussie Pete began by citing the observations by Colonel Williams (a committed Christian) in support of the hypothesis that the Earth is spherical. This implies that Aussie Pete believes that valid scientific conclusions can be drawn from empirical evidence. However, Isaiah 11:3 says that Jews and Christians must not base conclusions on what they can see and hear, and the articles of faith of creationist organisations say that scientific evidence can never take precedence over the teaching of the Bible. In other threads, Aussie Pete himself has rejected the overwhelming evidence for evolution in favour of the Biblical teaching of a six-day creation, so he appears to have been inconsistent.

Later Aussie Pete (post 9) said that the Bible does not teach that the Earth is flat. He did not say what he would believe about the shape of the Earth if the Bible did teach that it was flat. D Taylor and contratodo (post 17) contradicted this, and contratodo cited Biblical verses in support of the hypotheses that the Earth is flat and the sky (or firmament) is a solid vault. If D Taylor and contratodo are correct and the Bible does teach that the Earth is flat, will Aussie Pete accept this Biblical teaching or will he continue to accept the empirical evidence presented by Colonel Williams?

Apple Sky · 2025-11-20T05:38:18-0600

@Warden_of_the_Storm Thanks for all the reactions you've really bumped my score up

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-20T05:39:38-0600

Apple Sky said:
@Warden_of_the_Storm Thanks for all the reactions you've really bumped my score up

Ugh, that's gross, the fact you care at all about your 'scores' when you're being mocked for your crackpot views.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-20T07:28:22-0600

Apple Sky said:
@Warden_of_the_Storm Thanks for all the reactions you've really bumped my score up

And you accused us of only caring about reactions!

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-20T08:10:39-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Ugh, that's gross, the fact you care at all about your 'scores' when you're being mocked for your crackpot views.

Yeah I’ve never like the whole scoring idea in CF.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-20T08:17:16-0600

Astrophile said:
I apologise for taking so long to respond to the thread; I was uncertain about the issues under discussion, and whether I could contribute anything useful. However, I now think that I can say something new.

As I see it, this is an epistemic matter. Aussie Pete began by citing the observations by Colonel Williams (a committed Christian) in support of the hypothesis that the Earth is spherical. This implies that Aussie Pete believes that valid scientific conclusions can be drawn from empirical evidence. However, Isaiah 11:3 says that Jews and Christians must not base conclusions on what they can see and hear, and the articles of faith of creationist organisations say that scientific evidence can never take precedence over the teaching of the Bible. In other threads, Aussie Pete himself has rejected the overwhelming evidence for evolution in favour of the Biblical teaching of a six-day creation, so he appears to have been inconsistent.

Later Aussie Pete (post 9) said that the Bible does not teach that the Earth is flat. He did not say what he would believe about the shape of the Earth if the Bible did teach that it was flat. D Taylor and contratodo (post 17) contradicted this, and contratodo cited Biblical verses in support of the hypotheses that the Earth is flat and the sky (or firmament) is a solid vault. If D Taylor and contratodo are correct and the Bible does teach that the Earth is flat, will Aussie Pete accept this Biblical teaching or will he continue to accept the empirical evidence presented by Colonel Williams?

I’m a young earth creationist and I don’t see any conclusive evidence to support evolution. Evidence in support of a particular theory or position doesn’t verify the validity of that theory or position if the evidence is inconclusive.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-20T08:20:12-0600

Astrophile said:
I apologise for taking so long to respond to the thread; I was uncertain about the issues under discussion, and whether I could contribute anything useful. However, I now think that I can say something new.

As I see it, this is an epistemic matter. Aussie Pete began by citing the observations by Colonel Williams (a committed Christian) in support of the hypothesis that the Earth is spherical. This implies that Aussie Pete believes that valid scientific conclusions can be drawn from empirical evidence. However, Isaiah 11:3 says that Jews and Christians must not base conclusions on what they can see and hear, and the articles of faith of creationist organisations say that scientific evidence can never take precedence over the teaching of the Bible. In other threads, Aussie Pete himself has rejected the overwhelming evidence for evolution in favour of the Biblical teaching of a six-day creation, so he appears to have been inconsistent.

Later Aussie Pete (post 9) said that the Bible does not teach that the Earth is flat. He did not say what he would believe about the shape of the Earth if the Bible did teach that it was flat. D Taylor and contratodo (post 17) contradicted this, and contratodo cited Biblical verses in support of the hypotheses that the Earth is flat and the sky (or firmament) is a solid vault. If D Taylor and contratodo are correct and the Bible does teach that the Earth is flat, will Aussie Pete accept this Biblical teaching or will he continue to accept the empirical evidence presented by Colonel Williams?

I’m just curious, have you ever traveled all the way across Australia going east or west? If so what means of travel did you use and how long did it take?

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-20T08:41:19-0600

BNR32FAN said:
I’m just curious, have you ever traveled all the way across Australia going east or west? If so what means of travel did you use and how long did it take?

I'm not interested in the flat earth debate, but I have driven from Brisbane to Perth and return three times (a long time ago).

It took about six days each way allowing for sufficient breaks between driving.

From Brisbane to Perth the road distance is about 4310 kilometres, so each day required about 718 kilometres (446 miles).

I've flown once with the distance being 3614 air kilometres or 2245 air miles. Flight time is about 5.25 hours. There's a two hour time difference so going from Brisbane to Perth we gained two hours, and lost two hours on the return trip.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-20T12:30:22-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Yeah I’ve never like the whole scoring idea in CF.

Like the idea of 'counting threads'. Just... what's the point?

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-20T12:38:14-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Like the idea of 'counting threads'. Just... what's the point?

It's personally why I think that being able to dislike a thread should be a thing on here.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-20T12:38:40-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Like the idea of 'counting threads'. Just... what's the point?

For boasting

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-20T12:41:53-0600

BNR32FAN said:
For boasting

Which feels... not great for a Christian forum.

Bradskii · 2025-11-20T18:14:30-0600

BNR32FAN said:
I’m just curious, have you ever traveled all the way across Australia going east or west? If so what means of travel did you use and how long did it take?

Not sure of the relevance...but I just got back last week from driving from Sydney to Perth and back. Took 5 weeks, but that included a lot of stopping en route. Total distance driven: 10, 200km.

Brother Del · 2025-11-20T18:39:07-0600

Tuur said:
Okay, I just have to ask: Is FE really a thing and not a bunch of people pulling someone's leg?

Funny, I occasionally have the exact same thoughts about the heliocentric model.

And then I come back to my senses and remember what an evil and cunning little snot the devil can be, and how easily men can be deceived.

Brother Del · 2025-11-20T18:42:12-0600

d taylor said:
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Instead of using sinful man to make your point about God's creation. Why do you not use The Bible, I know why but you will not admit it. Because there is no creation descriptions in The Bible supporting a deceptive globe earth.

Nope, none at all.

Brother Del · 2025-11-20T18:48:01-0600

Aussie Pete said:
They have none. That's why.

FaithT said:
It just amazes me that anybody would seriously believe the Earth is flat.

You mean like every major character from the bible? Moses, the Prophets, Joshua (who prayed, and the sun stood still in the sky).

NxNW · 2025-11-20T19:04:03-0600

BNR32FAN said:
I’m a young earth creationist and I don’t see any conclusive evidence to support evolution. Evidence in support of a particular theory or position doesn’t verify the validity of that theory or position if the evidence is inconclusive.

A theory is never proved conclusively.

prodromos · 2025-11-20T23:06:38-0600

Brother Del said:
You mean like every major character from the bible? Moses, the Prophets, Joshua (who prayed, and the sun stood still in the sky).

Please demonstrate where any of the above write that the earth is flat.

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-20T23:07:30-0600

Brother Del said:
You mean like every major character from the bible? Moses, the Prophets, Joshua (who prayed, and the sun stood still in the sky).

At least they had excuses. The proper shape of the Earth was not yet known in their world. What is your excuse?

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