Yes I am. And I am fully and completely an American. We came to America to become Americans and not to make America into where we came from.
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Newport residents speak out against potential ICE facility
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Federal defense contractor backs out of potential Oregon Coast ICE facility
It remains to be seen how the withdrawal impacts the federal government’s suspected plans to establish an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility in Oregon
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Federal defense contractor backs out of potential Oregon Coast ICE facility
It remains to be seen how the withdrawal impacts the federal government’s suspected plans to establish an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility in Oregon
Federal defense contractor backs out of potential Oregon Coast ICE facility • Oregon Capital Chronicle
The Texas-based Team Housing Solutions had asked the city about leasing land at the airport last week in support of “federal operations.”
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Its in the interest of the country to:
1. Put a stop to illegal immigrants
2. Send illegal immigrants home
3. Restrict who is coming in.
The restrictions would be based upon the needs of the country, combined with who the immigrants are.
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I am glad that you were able to come to America and made something of yourself and became an America. I do not know you, but I assume you have left your land to pursue a better life, may be for financial opportunity or escape persecution, but whatever the reason it may be, you were able to escape your old life and come to America for a better future.
Your experience is possible because, since its founding, the United States has identified itself as a nation valuing freedom and bravery, welcoming immigrants from around the world. This has been part of the country's history from the outset. A statue at the nation's entrance embodies this tradition with its inscription.
“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Throughout American history, minority groups have opposed various waves of immigrants, from the Irish, Germans, and Scandinavians in the early 19th century to Italians, Poles, Russians, Chinese, Jews, and Cubans in later years. Despite this opposition, most Americans have welcomed immigrants, believing that embracing newcomers is central to America's identity and uniqueness. Your story is possible because of this tradition of acceptance.
Consider the potential outcomes had the minority group opposing both legal and illegal immigration to America been successful at the time of your arrival. How might this have affected you or your family?
You assert that you have become American; however, I respectfully question this claim. Embracing immigrants and diversity is a longstanding tradition in the United States, as reflected in the welcoming spirit described by "the huddled masses yearning to breathe free." Your perspective, which appears to support restricting immigration, does not align with these core American values. Such views resemble those found in countries less open to foreigners.
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Jesus did not mean that before a Christian give water to thirsty, Christian should verify legal status of the thirsty. When Jesus said give shelter to shelter less, jesus did not mean verify his immigration stratus before you welcome him to your home. When Jesus said take care the orphan, Jesus never meant that the orphan must be natural born citizen of your homeland.
The Bishops are correct about scripture, but those unwilling to listen often claim it has been distorted.
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Irrelevant. The discussion is about what immigration policy is appropriate today.
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Rhats a poem put there by the French. It is not nor ever has been immigration policy. There have been times in our history where we did not allow any immigration.
Its okay, we don't have to. And I actually have no problem with immigration. But we have been allowing people in who are NOT interested in being Americans. They are interested in berating America, attacking America, blaming America. People who hold as much loyalty to their home country as America. People who want to change the towns and cities into the same places they came from. People who desire to live off rhe largess of America while not being American.
We have also allowed millions of illegals who have assisted in raising rhe cost if living in America while at the same time causing wages to stagnate and taking jobs away from Americans.
When we came, we dropped all loyalty to our former country. We didn't ask any Americans to take care of us. We spoke English. We were dirt poor, but never took a dime from Americans. We paid our bills and earned our way. We never asked a single American to bend over backward for us.
It used to be that Immigrants like us came to America to be Americans. They didn't come and proclaim how horrible America is. In those days, they actually came a lot of times wirh nothing and received nothing from America in return. There wasnt freebies and government handouts. There was also a time where we really needed rhe immigrants. They were necessary to grow and build this country. We didn't have enough people to do what needed to be done.
Now we have immigrants who want to continually slam America, demand America give to them. They flat out lie about their circumstances. They work to tear down instead of create. They don't want to be Americans, they want ro be hyphenated Americans. They want their communities not to be American communities but, communities loke where they came from. Transforming American communities into their countries communities.
This is why I'm not against immigration. I'm for controlling it and only allowing people.in who want to be Americans through and through and are interested in building and not taking. Who are interested giving up what they left for the American way. When we came we left everything behind. We wanted to be American.
No its not. It was never diversity that we were looking for in America. It was unity. Diversity is a weakness not a strength. Diversity is division which is what is going on right now with people coming in. They don't want unity they want division. Their homeland in America. This is how we get places where Americans cannot communicate with others because they demand we speak their language. This is how we get towns that wake up their citizens in America at 5:30 am for the Muslim call to prayer. This is where we get ither countries flags being flown with pride while they burn the American flag. Tho
is is where we get places wanting Sharia Law in America. It used to be America first. Now its America second or third.
I repeat what Teddy Roosevelt said:
In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin,” Roosevelt wrote.
“But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American,” he added.
“There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all.
“We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
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I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth.
I never said that, don't put words in my mouth.
As you pointed out the verses you like are only for his followers. They are NOT intended to create governement policy or law. If you believe they were then we must have laws against adultery, fornication, lying and homosexuality.
You either accept ALL of scripture as governmental law and policy or none of it. You do NOT get to pick and choose which scriptures apply to governmental law and policy and which ones don't.
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