Obama care collapsing.....

durangodawood · 2025-11-17T15:49:32-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Name ONE thing we were promised that came through as promised?

Pre existing conditions covered.

(I see others mentioned this too. As you did not know this most basic aspect of the program, clearly you need to bone up on the issue before coming to grand conclusions either way.)

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-17T16:07:17-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Name ONE thing we were promised that came through as promised?

Medicaid expansion in the states that didn't resist it.

MotoToTheMax · 2025-11-17T16:14:16-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Name ONE thing we were promised that came through as promised?

Read his lips:

Staying on your parents' insurance coverage until you turn 26.

Desk trauma · 2025-11-17T16:24:22-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Name ONE thing we were promised that came through as promised?

An end to life time maxes.

durangodawood · 2025-11-17T16:40:35-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Name ONE thing we were promised that came through as promised?

My goodness. The list of the things that came through as promised goes on and on.

Im all ears re a better system that provides these basic expectations in a way that doesnt require life crushing expenses for the individual or explode the national debt.

The only way I've heard of that accomplishes that is:
A. single payer that cuts out the vast insurance parasite industry.
B. some limits on whats covered. We cant afford every single maximal intervention for everyone at every stage of life.

Larniavc · 2025-11-17T17:52:10-0600

rambot said:
Can't wait to hear how the Republicans plan to fix it!

I'm sure the solution will be coming never.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-17T18:12:12-0600

durangodawood said:
My goodness. The list of the things that came through as promised goes on and on.

Oh, please - link looking forward to it.

durangodawood · 2025-11-17T18:14:35-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Oh, please - link looking forward to it.

You are way too ignorant about this topic to be making grand claims. Just go learn the basics about whats in the the law.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-17T18:14:51-0600

Follow the money -

Make a law that there can be no lobbyist - no PAC Money, no contributions to any politicians - then also bar them from any stock purchases connected to the health care industry.

Watch how many still support them.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-17T18:15:47-0600

durangodawood said:
You are way too ignorant about this topic to be making grand claims. Just go learn the basics about whats in the the law.

Does that mean you can't back up your grand claim?

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-11-17T18:40:46-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Does that mean you can't back up your grand claim?

The only grand claim I see in this thread is that Obamacare is collapsing. It’s been over 9 years (15 since it was signed into law).

How about we start with backing up that grand claim first?

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-17T18:56:13-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Does that mean you can't back up your grand claim?

No, it means that you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re attempting to shoot more blindly partisan barbs, but are so uninformed about the subject that all you’ve succeeded in doing is make yourself look foolish.

Many of us have given you examples of goals that were realized. Why not take that as a jumping off point from which to educate yourself?

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-17T20:48:32-0600

Observation only

The silence from the one I did ask, imho is very telling.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-11-17T21:07:16-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Good that the tribe sticks together, but I did not ask either of you. And the silence from the one I did ask is deafening

They probably have other things to do with their time than to be replying to a 9 year old zombie thread you chose to revive for goodness knows what reason.

There’s also a PM or ignore function if you don’t want to reply to others but don’t you cop an attitude with me just because your thread has backfired.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-17T22:56:25-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
There’s also a PM or ignore function if you don’t want to reply to others but don’t you cop an attitude with me just because your thread has backfired.

That is so cute of you thinking the thread back fired.

Cop an attitude with you. lol.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-17T23:05:01-0600

For those who forgot

How Much Have Obamacare Premiums And Deductibles Increased?

Since the Affordable Care Act went into effect, premiums have nearly tripled, and deductibles have more than doubled. Here are some charts that illustrate the changes.

www.forbes.com

During the 2008 presidential campaign, then-Senator Barack Obama promised that his health reform plan would “lower your premiums by up to $2,500 per family per year.” But since his signature law, the Affordable Care Act, went into effect, premiums have nearly tripled, and deductibles have more than doubled. The cost of coverage for a family of four has increased by more than $10,000. Here are some charts that illustrate the changes.

A2SG · 2025-11-17T23:41:07-0600

Always in His Presence said:
What is the GOP plan again?

Greatest example of tribe speak I have seen in years IMHO

Let's review

Democrat plan - not one Republican supported or voted for it.
Democrat run
Democrat executed

Republicans fault - got it!

Well, who came up with the plan the ACA was based on? The Heritage Foundation. Who tried to implement it once before, back in 1993? The GOP.

Always in His Presence said:
The designers and operators of the program that got so expensive it needs to be subsidized by the American taxpayer.

That is who.

And who is that designer again?

And why is for-profit health insurance so expensive? Why, so it can generate billions in profit every year, a lot of which goes into various campaign contributions. "Follow the money" indeed.

-- A2SG, but I do agree with your basic point...eliminate the ACA and replace it with a more comprehensive, far more cost-effective single payer plan!

A2SG · 2025-11-17T23:44:18-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Follow the money -

Make a law that there can be no lobbyist - no PAC Money, no contributions to any politicians - then also bar them from any stock purchases connected to the health care industry.

Watch how many still support them.

Follow the money? Sure....

The ACA Is Making Health Insurers Much Richer

As we approach the 14-year anniversary of the Affordable Care Act, the law is quite different from what Congress originally enacted

paragoninstitute.org

-- A2SG, just as the Heritage Foundation undoubtedly intended.....

camille70 · 2025-11-18T02:19:30-0600

Interview with Zeke Emanuel

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/30/nx-s1-5587720/breaking-down-the-affordable-care-act-how-it-works-and-why-its-so-costly

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-18T04:22:08-0600

A2SG said:
Well, who came up with the plan the ACA was based on? The Heritage Foundation. Who tried to implement it once before, back in 1993? The GOP.

And who is that designer again?

And why is for-profit health insurance so expensive? Why, so it can generate billions in profit every year, a lot of which goes into various campaign contributions. "Follow the money" indeed.

-- A2SG, but I do agree with your basic point...eliminate the ACA and replace it with a more comprehensive, far more cost-effective single payer plan!

Is that why so many Republicans voted for it?

Oh, wait, not one did.

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