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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?
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What I said was, "There is no such thing as people who never had the opportunity to reject God, so, no, the Bible does not address them".
How can you know an unborn baby is not a believer? God does what he will. He doesn't need our notions of what a person is, nor of what constitutes enmity with him.
I compare the mind of the unborn, at whatever stage they can rightly be called a person, with the mind of the clinical idiot who has no brain activity registering, cannot hear, cannot see, doesn't respond to touch, and has no sentient "concepts" as we claim separates us from animals. Are you going to say that God cannot deal with him, and change his heart?
On a scale with that clinical idiot on one end and God on the other, where do you think those of us who can read, consider and reason stand? I think I can guarantee you that our intelligence and self-awareness is much closer to the bottom of the scale than it is to God's place. We can all make definitions for 'sin' and 'omnipotence' and so on, but God's point of view is the only one that counts, in the end.
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Again, you are saying an unborn baby rejected God since "There is no such thing as people" so I asking how is that possible?
An unborn baby does not fit the Biblical description of a believer. Under your scenario why would all unborn babies not be believers, since they can do nothing?
I would say those people unable to sin are in a safe condition not needing salvation, since they have not done anything wrong like "reject God".
Mature adults have limited free will (Made in the image of God), so they can become like God having Godly type Love.
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Well, no. I was not saying an unborn baby rejected God, but that at whatever point that baby is a responsible (by God's assessment) human, he rejects God, unless he has been born from above by the work of God.
Says who?
The same as the rest of us. Whatever we do, whether supposedly good choices or not, what we do is done at enmity with God, unless we are "born-again".
I would say you obviously reject the notion of Total Depravity. You think that man is not at the core corrupt and at enmity with God.
"Limited free will" is either not limited, or not free. The notion is self-contradictory. That we choose is self-evident, and our choices are valid, real, with real, even eternal, consequences. I have not said otherwise. But the notion that they are (in any way) free of cause makes no sense. In fact, I would defy you to explain how ANYTHING is real without being caused to be real. Whatever happens is established to be so by God, the Creator of very fact and very reality. He is not subject to our silly decisions. We are subject to his.
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