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Lost tribes of Israel

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The Christian belief that Jews are not saved stems from religious conflicts during the emergence of Christianity and its subsequent separation from Judaism. It is based on the view that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of G-d, which is not recognised as such by Jews, and has led to a long history of discrimination and the idea that Jews are damned because of their rejection of Christian doctrine.

Unfortunately, there are anti-Jewish movements that have reinforced this thinking. For a long time, many Christians and christian Churches claimed that Christianity had replaced Israel as the people of G-d. The Jews had lost their election by rejecting Christ. This doctrine has led to a long and sad history of anti-Semitism in Germany and many other Christian countries.

The fact is that many of G-d's promises to His people, the Jews, are coming true today. If we know them, we can see how this is happening before our very eyes.
 
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Gentiles came to a point, after being invited to rejoin their lost House headed by Jewish Christians (the original Christians), and applied church appropriation, a makeover, then rejection of the founders, much in the way colonization did to indigenous peoples. It's the human way, not God's. Of course, the Jews also rejected the original Jewish Christians so they got it from all sides. Even today all seek to serve self rather than God's plan.
 
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The Christian belief that Jews are not saved stems from religious conflicts during the emergence of Christianity and its subsequent separation from Judaism. It is based on the view that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of G-d, which is not recognised as such by Jews, and has led to a long history of discrimination and the idea that Jews are damned because of their rejection of Christian doctrine.

Paul agonized in Romans 9-11 that he'd almost go to hell if his own people the Jews didn't and penned zingers like this:

Philippians 3:5-9

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Romans 3:19-20​


19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 2:15-16​

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Do you think that someone who follows rabbinical Judaism can be justified by God apart from Christ?
 
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Do you think that someone who follows rabbinical Judaism can be justified by God apart from Christ?

A person has only one way to come to G-d, through grace. Grace is G-d's movement towards man.

In the past, He scattered them, but now He is gathering them. In days gone by, He made them a proverb, but now they shall be a praise upon the earth.

as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong. Zec 8:13b

The restoration of Israel must be understood as a process that develops over time. It begins with a physical restoration in their land. Then follows spiritual restoration.

Most of these same prophets proclaim that G-d will pour out His Spirit on the people of Israel. They foresaw that He would give them a new heart and write His law on their hearts. This will be so radical that Paul describes it as being brought back to life. The blindness that Paul sees both in the nations (2 Corinthians 4:3ff) and in Israel (2 Corinthians 3:14ff) will finally be removed from humanity

And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. Isa 25:7

Isn't it true that the congregation has lost much? Such as the Torah, for example. Our forefathers called the Torah a foreign teaching (Hosea 8:10). And the Jewish people have lost the Messiah. Both must be found and brought back. The Torah must be brought back to the lost sheep of the house of Israel in the nations (the ten lost tribes, the house of Jacob) and the Messiah to the tribe of Judah, the Jews

Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jer 6:16

If you take the word for congregation in the Torah, it is the same word in a Hebrew translation of the NT. Unfortunately, the translators never rendered it that way, which could give the impression that the congregation (church) is something different from the congregation in the Torah. From YHVH's perspective, there is only one congregation, one law (Torah), one king and one country. This also applies to strangers. The Torah repeatedly states

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Ex 12:49

YHVH presents a covenant to all (the two houses and the strangers). Whoever enters into the covenant and keeps the terms of the covenant belongs to the bride.

This spiritual restoration of Israel will lead to the time of messianic rule on earth. The prophets saw the day coming when ‘the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David’ who will rule over his people. Jesus himself proclaimed that Israel would not see Him again until it welcomed Him back into the city. Both the Hebrew prophets and the apostle John see Israel at that time ‘look upon me whom they have pierced,’ (Zec 12:10; Rev 1:7).

But the greatest promise is that the restoration of Israel will lead to the defeat of the power of death

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; Isa 25:8a

Paul refers to this when he speaks of the resurrection from the dead (1 Cor 15:54). This means that Israel's restoration will finally put an end to mankind's greatest fear to this day, the fear of death. Its poisonous sting will be broken, and death will not have the last word; rather, this will belong to the resurrection life of Jesus Christ.

That is why Paul could triumphantly proclaim about Israel:

For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Rom 11:15

This means that Israel's greatest calling still lies ahead of us. We must recognise that G-d is restoring His people to their inheritance, their relationship with Him, and their destiny.
 
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Gentiles came to a point, after being invited to rejoin their lost House headed by Jewish Christians (the original Christians), and applied church appropriation, a makeover, then rejection of the founders, much in the way colonization did to indigenous peoples. It's the human way, not God's. Of course, the Jews also rejected the original Jewish Christians so they got it from all sides. Even today all seek to serve self rather than God's plan.

This statement touches the heart of many biblical stories, which portray both the historical House of Israel and the House of Judah as peoples who struggled to put their own interests above G-d's will. This is a theme that runs through their entire history. In Jeremiah 2 and Hosea 11, we find exciting insights into G-d's heart for His people.
 
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This statement touches the heart of many biblical stories, which portray both the historical House of Israel and the House of Judah as peoples who struggled to put their own interests above G-d's will. This is a theme that runs through their entire history. In Jeremiah 2 and Hosea 11, we find exciting insights into G-d's heart for His people.
Yet few learn from it.
 
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Judaism believes that "Messianic Judaism" (MJ) is the ultimate form of broad Christianity and the heresy of Judaism, MJ is more likely to have a confusing effect. What the acceptable Christian model for Judaism is Noahide (son of Noah) Christianity.
MJ is considered the most powerful means of spreading Christianity to Jews. So Noahide Christianity is the response of Judaism to Christian evangelism. MJ can also be seen by Judaism as a pattern of Noahide Christianity . Judaism can communicate with it, but the most dangerous friend.

Yeshua seems to be a top tier Mossad. He was the commander-in-chief of the Israeli army, but became the king of foreign land. Some rabbis may realize Yeshua 's Israeli identity is hidden and will eventually be revealed.
 
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Judaism believes that "Messianic Judaism" (MJ) is the ultimate form of broad Christianity and the heresy of Judaism, MJ is more likely to have a confusing effect. What the acceptable Christian model for Judaism is Noahide (son of Noah) Christianity.
MJ is considered the most powerful means of spreading Christianity to Jews. So Noahide Christianity is the response of Judaism to Christian evangelism. MJ can also be seen by Judaism as a pattern of Noahide Christianity . Judaism can communicate with it, but the most dangerous friend.

Yes, ‘Noachide Christianity’ is an offer to non-Jews to have a place before G-d without converting to Judaism.

Although both groups have fundamentally different belief systems. Orthodox Judaism rejects the belief in Jesus as the Messiah, while Messianic Judaism believes in him as the Messiah and at the same time adheres to Jewish laws. The Orthodox Jewish view is that Jesus did not fulfil the Messianic prophecies.

Noachidism focuses on adherence to the seven Noahide laws, which are intended to apply to all people. Those who adhere to these laws can be considered ‘righteous’ and have a share in the world to come, which is why Judaism does not consider it necessary to proselytise other believers. They do not have to become Jews to be righteous before G-d.

The Jewish concept of the Noahides sees this as a G-d-pleasing path, but Christianity sees the relationship with Jesus as decisive.
 
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If Jesus is literally going to reign on earth, then He must necessarily reign from a geographical standpoint. One of Jesus' names is ‘Son of David.’ Scripture is clear that the Messiah will reign over David's kingdom (the Kingdom of Israel) and that He will sit on David's throne (in Jerusalem). In order for Jesus to fulfil biblical prophecy, both the people of Israel and the city of Jerusalem must exist forever.

G-d has designated Jerusalem as Jesus' global headquarters on earth during the 1000-year kingdom. Jesus called it ‘the city of the great King’ (Matthew 5:35) because it is the city from which G-d's appointed Messiah will rule over the earth (Isaiah 9:6-7).

For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. Ps 132:13-14

Jesus comes to rule over the earth from Jerusalem. The establishment of G-d's kingdom throughout the earth is dynamically linked to Jesus' return to reign as King of the Jews in Israel. He will sit on David's throne (King of Israel) and his kingdom will never end

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Isa 9:7

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord G-d shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Lk 1:32-33


G-d has determined that righteousness will shine forth from Jerusalem to the ends of the earth, fulfilling all His covenant promises to Israel as a nation, saving them, restoring them, and ruling over them from Jerusalem.

When Israel is saved and Jesus reigns from Jerusalem, the earth will be filled with G-d's glory

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. Isa 11:9

Before Jesus ascended to heaven after his death, burial and resurrection, the disciples asked Him when the political kingdom of Israel would be restored

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Acts 1:6

Some have used this passage to illustrate that the disciples were slow to understand the nature of the kingdom. However, Jesus does not rebuke them. He does not deny that there will be a physical, political manifestation of his kingdom. He merely says that the manifestation will not take place right now.

The prayer for Israel and Jerusalem is about the salvation of all Israel.

Jesus' return to Jerusalem depends on Israel's acceptance of their Messiah

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Mt 23:39

We are aware that G-d does not have a separate path for the salvation of Israel. Paul is very clear that there is no inherent privilege outside of a personal relationship with Jesus

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Rom 10:12

The salvation of all Israel (Romans 11:26) refers to the nation as a whole returning to the covenant with the G-d of Israel through the blood of Jesus.
 
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At the end of days, Jerusalem will be established and will be the capital of the world, both spiritually and ‘politically’. The Gentile nations will make pilgrimages to Zion to worship and receive divine instruction. The future kingdom of Jesus on earth will not be a political kingdom in the conventional human sense, but a reign of G-d that unites political, social and spiritual dimensions.

When Christ returns, the kingdoms of this world will become ‘the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ (Rev 11:15). This points to a universal, theocratic rule that will replace all existing political systems and establish a just order according to G-d's standards.
 
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The future kingdom of Jesus on earth will not be a political kingdom in the conventional human sense, but a reign of G-d that unites political, social and spiritual dimensions.
Agreed. The two are counter-cultures
 
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