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There is a woman who is calling churches (and now other institutions) with audio of a crying baby in the background asking for formula foe their child as they had no money.
Woman Pretends to Need Baby Formula & Exposes Churches That Refuse to Help

The results at this point have been a distinct condemnation of Christians in America.

What has been a particular salt in the wound is that other organizations have so far been proven to be far more consistent that churches in providing relief. I believe she's set to continue and will update results. You can find this story on multiple sites if you don't like this source.

Now, I can certainly say that this is not any kind of scientific study but as I understand she makes videos of these calls. The results are irrefutable.

American christians: What happenned? You are, purportedly the most charitable group but...if it isn't going to a woman with no baby food is it maybe just going back into your own congregations or salaries? Something needs to change.
I can't imagine just as a human being allowing that to happen.
 

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"The results"? How do we know what the results are, how do we know we can trust what she's releasing and not that she is selectively smearing by only releasing the ones where the church failed to act?
 
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"The results"? How do we know what the results are, how do we know we can trust what she's releasing and not that she is selectively smearing by only releasing the ones where the church failed to act?
She records and posted every single phone call so you can hear exactly what every single church says. I watched a few last night. You can go to her channel and watch them all if you want to.
 
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She records and posted every single phone call so you can hear exactly what every single church says. I watched a few last night. You can go to her channel and watch them all if you want to.
How do we know she's posting every phone call?
 
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There is a woman who is calling churches (and now other institutions) with audio of a crying baby in the background asking for formula foe their child as they had no money.
Woman Pretends to Need Baby Formula & Exposes Churches That Refuse to Help

The results at this point have been a distinct condemnation of Christians in America.

What has been a particular salt in the wound is that other organizations have so far been proven to be far more consistent that churches in providing relief. I believe she's set to continue and will update results. You can find this story on multiple sites if you don't like this source.

Now, I can certainly say that this is not any kind of scientific study but as I understand she makes videos of these calls. The results are irrefutable.

American christians: What happenned? You are, purportedly the most charitable group but...if it isn't going to a woman with no baby food is it maybe just going back into your own congregations or salaries? Something needs to change.
I can't imagine just as a human being allowing that to happen.
I'm honestly not surprised. I left the Baptist church I was at when my mother in laws house burned to the ground and she lost literally everything and had nothing but the clothes on her back. The church has a store that's kind of like good will with clothes. I called and asked for money to get her medication and if they would be willing to donate clothes from their store. We got.. NOTHING. And we were apart of that church! My husband was playing with the worship team, so it's not like they didn't know us. So honestly, I wasn't surprised.
 
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"The results"? How do we know what the results are, how do we know we can trust what she's releasing and not that she is selectively smearing by only releasing the ones where the church failed to act?
It is not good to avoid reflection.

As an outsider (to thr us) I see a lack of charity and the increase of distrust in Christians and it makes me sad.

But it happens where i am too!! I tries to set up a multichurch charity drive and while our council was into it they were clear that the other 6 to 8 churches with a 5km radius would not be.
 
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It is not good to avoid reflection.

As an outsider (to thr us) I see a lack of charity and the increase of distrust in Christians and it makes me sad.

But it happens where i am too!! I tries to set up a multichurch charity drive and while our council was into it they were clear that the other 6 to 8 churches with a 5km radius would not be.
I'm not trying to avoid reflection, but this appears like a smear campaign rather than an attempt at reflection.
 
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We only know what she's posting, not every attempt she has made. You say they're all there, but how would we even know that?
Bro, click the link! She recorded EVERY ATTEMPT. That's what I'm saying. Debating me without clicking the link to see for yourself is insane.
 
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I don't, but I'm not claiming she is or isn't.
She is posting.......ANY churches saying that.

Why would that be good?

No church should be turning away a woman in that circumstances. Don't you agree?
 
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Bro, click the link! She recorded EVERY ATTEMPT. That's what I'm saying. Debating me without clicking the link to see for yourself is insane.
I'm not "debating", I'm asking you a question. You're asserting that she recorded every attempt and pointing to what she's posted. I'm just asking how you would possibly know what was attempted vs what she posted to make such an assertion.
 
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I'm not "debating", I'm asking you a question. You're asserting that she recorded every attempt and pointing to what she's posted. I'm just asking how you would possibly know what was attempted vs what she posted to make such an assertion.
I gave you the evidence in the link!! I can't believe I'm having this convo right now....
 
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She is posting.......ANY churches saying that.

Why would that be good?

No church should be turning away a woman in that circumstances. Don't you agree?
It depends, having worked in church offices and dealt with the volume of requests that come through I have a bit of sympathy for churches that simply don't have the resources and have to be selective about the help they give. i don't think people realize how many people looking for help come to the churches every day and how thin most churches are stretched.
 
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I gave you the evidence in the link!! I can't believe I'm having this convo right now....
The link is only evidence of what she's posted, not a demonstration that she hasn't been selective in her postings or made attempts not posted.
 
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It depends, having worked in church offices and dealt with the volume of requests that come through I have a bit of sympathy for churches that simply don't have the resources and have to be selective about the help they give. i don't think people realize how many people looking for help come to the churches every day and how thin most churches are stretched.
You're making a pre-judgement based off of nothing when you haven't seen a single video. You literally can go to watch them right now, I gave you the link to her channel where you can watch and hear every single phone call. She bases her ending result off of the churches she called. That's her end result. Example: "I called 40 churches and out of the 40, here's how many were willing to help..." And then you watch her call and talk to all those 40 churches. That's literally the point of the article.
 
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You're making a pre-judgement based off of nothing when you haven't seen a single video. You literally can go to watch them right now, I gave you the link to her channel where you can watch and hear every single phone call. She bases her ending result off of the churches she called. That's her end result. Example: "I called 40 churches and out of the 40, here's how many were willing to help..." And then you watch her call and talk to all those 40 churches. That's literally the point of the article.
Asking a question is not making a pre-judgment. I don't know if she's posted everything, but I see no reason to take her word for it. She clearly had an agenda in making these calls to begin with, so why would we trust her not to spin the results to meet her agenda? What was she trying to prove?
 
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