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The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

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Now who's trolling? TFE the final experiment, the name and op of this thread.
Ok, because they are close enough to the south pole and it is tilted towards the sun. Just as I said. That is a clear consequence of what I wrote before.
 
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Ok, because they are close enough to the south pole and it is tilted towards the sun
So the sun is below the earth? Or horizontal with the earth? How is it that they see the sun itself above them? For the whole 24 hours.
 
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The creation shows the truth of God's word.
That is simply untrue. We can stare out into space and see population 2 stars for goodness sake.

I think the actual ‘God’s creation’ trumps perceptions of Bronze Age humans in the Bible.
 
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That is simply untrue. We can stare out into space and see population 2 stars for goodness sake.

I think the actual ‘God’s creation’ trumps perceptions of Bronze Age humans in the Bible
Observe ye everything that takes place in the heaven, how they do not change their courses, and the luminaries which are in the heaven, how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order. Enoch chapter 2:1-2

If we are traveling through space, eventually we should see different stars, the night sky should change from time to time, but it does not, all the stars keep their same order, just as God's word says.
 
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So then in the backside, the side not facing the sun, it is always night? That should be easily provable.
Do you have aphantasia?
 
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Water, an ocean. On top of the sky is the city of heaven, from God water flows down and around the dome, filling and expanding the eternal ocean, the great deep. Taking a p900 and looking at a 'star' you will see what looks like flowing water behind it.
No you don’t. You see more space and more stars.
 
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If we are traveling through space, eventually we should see different stars, the night sky should change from time to time, but it does not, all the stars keep their same order, just as God's word says.
We do and it does. We see more stars with stronger telescopes and through a night and over a year the position of the stars change.

This is an idiotic conversation. If you want to ignore what our senses and machines tell us for non-mainstream and controversial religious reason all power to you but you are getting the science of it dead wrong.
 
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So the sun is below the earth? Or horizontal with the earth? How is it that they see the sun itself above them? For the whole 24 hours.
The way it is often drawn it would be horizontal. That is the natural consequence of the tilt, during their summer the south pole is tilted towards the sun as such the sun never goes below the horizon and the north pole is tilted away causing winter. On the other half of Earths revolution around the sun the seasons are shifted.
 
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natural consequence of the tilt, during their summer the south pole is tilted towards the sun as such the sun never goes below the horizon and the north pole is tilted away causing winter. On the other half of Earths revolution around the sun the seasons are shifted.
It should never be above the horizon if the earth is horizontal with the sun, what they should have seen is the sun at the horizon line the whole time, but what is seen is the sun above them the whole time. From their perspective the sun should be below them on the globe earth model.
 
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It should never be above the horizon if the earth is horizontal with the sun, what they should have seen is the sun at the horizon line the whole time, but what is seen is the sun above them the whole time. From their perspective the sun should be below them on the globe earth model.
It is not horizontal to the observers since the axis is slightly tilted, when I say horizontal I mean that the equator is in roughly the same plane as plane formed when the earth revolves around the sun.

Edited to add. Even without a tilt your description would only be true at the poles themselves.
 
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If we are traveling through space, eventually we should see different stars,
That is categorically false.

Imagine this. Hou are standing in the misdle of a huge forest. Lets just say thr amazon. Huge. Vast. Seemingly never ending. You see the trees vines and plant life immediately in front of you.

You shuffle forward 1.3inches.

Everything looks the same.

In the scheme of the universe we are basically not moving. To make my analogy better it'd make more sense if it was a dessert and thr nearest tree was 15 miles away and you move forward an inch. We are so far feom the nearest star you probably can't grasp it.

the night sky should change from time to time, but it does not, all the stars keep their same order, just as God's word says.
 
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By they you mean the people,mainly scientists, on the coast of the artic, no ones lives deep in the artic to testify what the sunshine is like.
Yes, I meant scientists and anybody else who happens to be there.
The suns path moves around and grows and shrinks at different times of year, that is why people see different amounts of light.

When they have 24 hours of sun, not just light, the sun itself as we can see in the videos on this thread, how is it that people on the opposite side of the ball have light? For example Greenland and Alaska and parts of Canada.
But people on opposite sides of the earth don't have light at the same time. When it's daytime here in th UK it is night in Australia, for example.
 
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Can you draw or show an image explaining how it is that the sun can be seen so close from the supposed bottom of the world?
Can you see the bottom (or top) of the moon? Same thing.
 
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By they you mean the people,mainly scientists, on the coast of the artic, no ones lives deep in the artic to testify what the sunshine is like.
There are plenty of people who live north enough to see sun for a full 24hrs.

Also, forget 24hr sun. How come in the summer days in Edmonton Alberta (canada) are 17hrs and days in Phoenix are 14. Or how in winter edmonton days are 7hrs and in Phoenix they're 10hrs.

Spheroid on a tilt can explain that...only


The suns path moves around and grows and shrinks at different times of year,
Not sure what that means but it doesnt...as i would unferstand what youre writing.
that is why people see different amounts of light.
But why is it not consistent the world over? If it's flat it would be the same movement.

When they have 24 hours of sun, not just light, the sun itself as we can see in the videos on this thread, how is it that people on the opposite side of the ball have light? For example Greenland and Alaska and parts of Canada.
If it is 24hr light in the arctic...it is 24hr darkness in antarctic.

There are places all around the world famous for having 24hrs darkness. I played at a music festival about 5hrs north feom my home town. The sun set but it was light enough to read at 3am.

This should not be news.
 
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You can fly to Alaska or northern Scandinavia and see for yourself. I've spent some hundred days north of the Arctic Circle on vacation. People live north of the Arctic Circle, what is it you don't believe in? In summer the sun never sets.
Preaching to the choir, mate. My eldest daughter lives in Aarhus, DK, and I've had occasion to be up in Skagen in December. Just once, which was entirely sufficient for my needs. It's a lovely place - in August. That's as near the pole as I need to be in any season.
 
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Can you see the bottom (or top) of the moon? Same thing.
In Skagen, Denmark, you can stand up on a chair, flip the moon over and see the LED bulbs and the patent information embossed into the plastic. (They replaced the old neon moon several years ago.)
 
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If the sun is a giant ball many times bigger than earth and millions of miles away, why do we all experience dawn? A gradual change from dark to light. Should it not be an immediate change, a hard line between light and dark?
Because the atmosphere exists. It scatters light. It's the same reason the sky is blue and not just a dark blackness with lots of tiny star and a big light. (Sort of like night with a full moon, but with the moon as bright as the Sun.)
 
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How is it that the sun, outside of the sky and millions of miles away does not completely light up the whole part of the earth facing it?
It does, though there is a projection angle thing going on. If you measure the zenith angle z between straight up and the Sun, the amount of light you get is L = S cos z. The Solar constant is 1360 W/m^2. When the Sun is 60 degrees from zenith (30 degrees above the horizon) L = 1360 W/m^2 * cos (60) = 680 W/m^2 (half). At the horizon, z = 90, cos 90 = 0, total light goes to zero. Thus, the "limb" of an irradiated sphere, like the Earth or the Moon, will appear dimmer, but still be lit.
 
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