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David Lamb · 2025-11-10T00:57:44-0600

Apple Sky said:
So the Mercator's map were just made up ?

AI
The Mercator map was used as the standard for nautical navigation for centuries, from its creation in 1569 until the 1940s when atlases began to stop using it for world maps. It remains in use today for specific purposes, such as for areas near the equator or for digital maps, because its specific properties are still useful for navigation.

When we were discussing Mercator some months ago, I remember pointing out that Mercator himself had never even been to the Arctic, so how could he have known about what was in the centre? All you could do in reply was point to a letter he wrote, but you were not able to provide a quote from the letter that stated he had actually visited Antarctica, or been to its centre.

prodromos · 2025-11-10T01:02:03-0600

Apple Sky said:
Exactly - Compasses don't work when it nears the magnet black rock which is under, so the compasses wants to point down but can't so it stops working.

But according to your sources, the "black rock" is huge and reaches beyond the clouds. This is the trouble with made up stuff. You can never keep the story straight and often contradict yourself.

prodromos · 2025-11-10T01:03:18-0600

Apple Sky said:
So the Mercator's map were just made up ?

AI
The Mercator map was used as the standard for nautical navigation for centuries, from its creation in 1569 until the 1940s when atlases began to stop using it for world maps. It remains in use today for specific purposes, such as for areas near the equator or for digital maps, because its specific properties are still useful for navigation.

The bit in the Arctic was made up.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-10T01:29:44-0600

David Lamb said:
When we were discussing Mercator some months ago, I remember pointing out that Mercator himself had never even been to the Arctic, so how could he have known about what was in the centre? All you could do in reply was point to a letter he wrote, but you were not able to provide a quote from the letter that stated he had actually visited Antarctica, or been to its centre.

John Dee's letter;

His letter even resides at the British Museum.

Two pages with fire damage of Mercator's 1577 letter to John Dee. Whole letter at British Museum, Cotton MS Vitellius C. VII, fols. 264-269

David Lamb · 2025-11-10T01:33:22-0600

Apple Sky said:
John Dee's letter;

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His letter even resides at the British Museum.

Two pages with fire damage of Mercator's 1577 letter to John Dee. Whole letter at British Museum, Cotton MS Vitellius C. VII, fols. 264-269

I don't dispute that he wrote the letter, or that it is now in the British Museum. What I was asking you was whether in the letter, Mercator actually claims to have visited the North Pole, or even the Arctic.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-10T01:51:49-0600

prodromos said:
But according to your sources, the "black rock" is huge and reaches beyond the clouds.

And it does, it is the base which goes under & at the bases there is giant whirlpool where ships dare to venture.

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Keeping it simple

Apple Sky · 2025-11-10T01:59:54-0600

David Lamb said:
I don't dispute that he wrote the letter, or that it is now in the British Museum. What I was asking you was whether in the letter, Mercator actually claims to have visited the North Pole, or even the Arctic.

Well if he didn't how would Mercator have of known what to write.

Interesting - The first three letters of Mercator = Mer which means sea.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-10T02:00:54-0600

Apple Sky said:
No, what is this ? It is a crashed satellite with the Balloon still attached to it.

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The statement was that satellites don't look like balloons.
In response, you posted a picture which you said is of a satellite that is attached to a balloon.

All you have done is to prove the statement that satellites don't look like balloons. We can all see, from your picture, that the two things don't look at all like each other.

David Lamb · 2025-11-10T02:10:42-0600

Apple Sky said:
Well if he didn't how would Mercator have of known what to write.

Interesting - The first three letters of Mercator = Mer which means sea.

Probably like all early map-makers, he made an intelligent guess. If he had actually been there, hundreds of years before the first recorded polar expedition, he would surely have said that he had actually seen the things that he records on his map.

The fact that the first three letters of his name mean "sea" in French adds nothing to the discussion. We could say that the first four letters of Beethoven's name mean a root vegetable, but so do the first four letters of the name of an insect, beetle.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-10T02:15:08-0600

Strong in Him said:
The statement was that satellites don't look like balloons.
In response, you posted a picture which you said is of a satellite that is attached to a balloon.

All you have done is to prove the statement that satellites don't look like balloons. We can all see, from your picture, that the two things don't look at all like each other.

The image portrayed a crashed satellite with a flat balloon still attached

Phil G · 2025-11-10T02:15:37-0600

David Lamb said:
Probably like all early map-makers, he made an intelligent guess.

That turned out to be a not so intelligent guess, making it at best, just a guess….or pure invention by imagination, a shot in the dark. And that’s at best.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-10T02:22:24-0600

David Lamb said:
The fact that the first three letters of his name mean "sea" in French adds nothing to the discussion. We could say that the first four letters of Beethoven's name mean a root vegetable, but so do the first four letters of the name of an insect, beetle.

I just thought it was interesting ............

And anyway I was talking about the first three letters so Beethoven would be Bee as would beetle = Bee, God's favorite letter as quoted in the book 'Legend of the Jews'.

Phil G · 2025-11-10T02:22:27-0600

Apple Sky said:
The image portrayed a crashed satellite with a flat balloon still attached

I remember we were through this before. I have satellite tv in my house. The dish that receives the signal is fixed in one position. If a satellite was attached to a balloon, there’s no way that the signal could be received. The balloon would float away from where the dish is pointing.

There is also no terrestrial antenna which could be broadcasting a signal from that direction at that height.

There is also no cable attached to my satellite box that could be giving me the signal except from the dish.

None of your “explanations” has ever rationally explained how I receive signals for my satellite tv. Every satellite tv installer knows full well the signals come from a satellite, because they have to align the dish to the area in the sky where the satellite holds in geostationary orbit.

David Lamb · 2025-11-10T02:24:23-0600

Apple Sky said:
I just thought it was interesting ............

And anyway I was talking about the first three letters so Beethoven would be Bee as would beetle = Bee, God's favorite letter.

How do you know if God has a favourite letter, or what it is?

Apple Sky · 2025-11-10T02:29:38-0600

David Lamb said:
How do you know if God has a favourite letter, or what it is?

Cus I read it

prodromos · 2025-11-10T02:29:55-0600

Apple Sky said:
Well if he didn't how would Mercator have of known what to write.

Since you have so much faith in Mercator, here is one of his maps.

Phil G · 2025-11-10T02:40:05-0600

Apple Sky said:
Cus I read it

Wait what????

God has a favourite letter? And you know this because you read it? So now you claim secret revelation from God like the gnostics of old???!!!

:doh:

prodromos · 2025-11-10T02:41:59-0600

Apple Sky said:
The image portrayed a crashed satellite with a flat balloon still attached

Actually a project Loon balloon

Loon was a radical approach to bringing internet access to rural, remote, and underserved areas using a system of balloons, carried by winds in the stratosphere. After nine years of groundbreaking technical achievements, Loon wound down, but its technological legacy lives on. The team shared its learnings in The Loon Collection — a shared archive of insights for future stratospheric explorers — and some of its technology can be found in Taara, which uses light beams to deliver abundant, affordable connectivity.

Loon - A Google X Moonshot

Loon was Google X's moonshot to deliver internet connectivity to billions using stratospheric balloons.

x.company

Google Loon balloon crash lands in Chile

Police cordon off net-disseminating remains in farmer's field

www.theregister.com

Apple Sky · 2025-11-10T02:46:08-0600

Phil G said:
I remember we were through this before. I have satellite tv in my house. The dish that receives the signal is fixed in one position. If a satellite was attached to a balloon, there’s no way that the signal could be received. The balloon would float away from where the dish is pointing.

There is also no terrestrial antenna which could be broadcasting a signal from that direction at that height.

There is also no cable attached to my satellite box that could be giving me the signal except from the dish.

None of your “explanations” has ever rationally explained how I receive signals for my satellite tv. Every satellite tv installer knows full well the signals come from a satellite, because they have to align the dish to the area in the sky where the satellite holds in geostationary orbit.

Ever heard of underground cables or some of these, what ever you call them ?

Strong in Him · 2025-11-10T02:49:37-0600

Apple Sky said:
The image portrayed a crashed satellite with a flat balloon still attached

Yes.
Which proves that satellites do not look like balloons - which is what @David Lamb said.
You've proved his point.

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