God's Divine Protection Of The Church During The Tribulation

Truth7t7 · Oct 18, 2025

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Unqualified · Oct 19, 2025

The church won’t be here for the great tribulation. Those who die for Christ the were left behind. They are not the church until God allows them to go into heaven.

RandyPNW · Oct 19, 2025

The "Tribulation" is probably the imperfect designation of the period of Antichrist's Reign. The "Great Tribulation," as defined by Jesus in Luke 21, was the period of Jewish Punishment taking place *throughout* the NT period. It is also called the "Jewish Diaspora."

This also was described in Dan 12.1 as being the time, following Antiochus 4, when Israel would be particularly challenged, there being a need to appoint the archangel Michael to protect them during this period. As we know, Rome arose to challenge Israel's very existence. And it has been such down through the NT ages, as various countries persecuted the Jewish People.

Clearly, it was a Jewish *Punishment.* But we can see that God called on Michael to preserve the Jewish People until the time of their national restoration.

So, if you're talking about the preservation of the Church during the 3.5 years of Antichrist's Reign, the book of Revelation was written to prove that fact. The "gates of hell will not prevail." Not only did Paul say that Christians would still be alive when Jesus returns but we are promised a resurrection to Eternal Life. That alone is a "preservation!"

ViaCrucis · Oct 23, 2025

There's been tribulation going on for the last two thousand years. And, yes, there is God's protection over His Church, Christ said, not even the gates of Hades shall prevail, and He said "I am with you always, even until the end of the age". As the Church trusts her Savior, she is kept safe in Him--even when the world presses against us.

We don't need to speculate about some "end times tribulation" when that's been the normative way of things since our Lord ascended, and it will be this way until He returns in glory.

-CryptoLutheran

RandyPNW · Oct 23, 2025

ViaCrucis said:
There's been tribulation going on for the last two thousand years. And, yes, there is God's protection over His Church, Christ said, not even the gates of Hades shall prevail, and He said "I am with you always, even until the end of the age". As the Church trusts her Savior, she is kept safe in Him--even when the world presses against us.

We don't need to speculate about some "end times tribulation" when that's been the normative way of things since our Lord ascended, and it will be this way until He returns in glory.

-CryptoLutheran

And as I've been saying in a number of places, Jesus defined the Great Tribulation as a Jewish Punishment, the worst that's ever been, because it lasts for the entire NT age. It's called the Jewish Diaspora. Luke 21.

When that punishment began in 70 AD, the Christians were given a way of escape, but they had suffered persecution from rebellious Jews, which is the very thing that brought judgment upon the Jewish People in 70 AD. And believers both in Israel and in other nations would continue to suffer the sins of their own natives.

So, both believers and unbelievers in Israel suffered when the Romans conquered Jerusalem, though it was no fault of the believers. Tribulation is characteristic of this age, and we can't completely avoid it.

As you said, tribulation has been going on a long time, and antichrists have been around a long time. Fortunately, at some point it's going to come to an end.

bèlla · Oct 24, 2025

Pray that your flight [from persecution and suffering] will not be in winter, or on a Sabbath [when Jewish laws prohibit travel]. For at that time there will be a great tribulation (pressure, distress, oppression), such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will [again]. And if those days [of tribulation] had not been cut short, no human life would be saved; but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be shortened.

~bella

Unqualified · Oct 24, 2025

I have heard that the great tribulation is for the Israelis and the millenium and Armageddon. And the church will be in heavenly places’. Any agree or disagree?

Guojing · Oct 24, 2025

Unqualified said:
I have heard that the great tribulation is for the Israelis and the millenium and Armageddon. And the church will be in heavenly places’. Any agree or disagree?

It all boils down to whether one thinks he is also part of Israel or not.

If he thinks he is true Israel, then he will naturally think he can also undergo that, and thus will not be in heavenly places.

RandyPNW · Oct 26, 2025

Unqualified said:
I have heard that the great tribulation is for the Israelis and the millenium and Armageddon. And the church will be in heavenly places’. Any agree or disagree?

The account of Jesus in his Olivet Discourse was largely for Israel. The judgment was for unbelieving Israelis. The warning of persecution by unbelievers in Israel and abroad was for believing Israelis. But the model of Israel's experience of "tribulation" was an example for the many nations in NT history who would go through similar things.

In passing the Kingdom of God from rebellious Israel to newly-converted Christian nations the same process began in which there was an initial commitment to God's covenant by the people of a nation. Then, over time, there was a cooling off, compromise, and ultimate apostasy, leading to Divine judgment.

Christians are simply given to know that this world is not our home--we are just "passing through." Our reward will be determined by how faithful to God's word we remain in this present life. It will test our resolve, but fidelity to God will be rewarded in eternity.

Truth7t7 · Saturday at 11:38 PM

RandyPNW said:
The account of Jesus in his Olivet Discourse was largely for Israel. The judgment was for unbelieving Israelis. The warning of persecution by unbelievers in Israel and abroad was for believing Israelis. But the model of Israel's experience of "tribulation" was an example for the many nations in NT history who would go through similar things.

In passing the Kingdom of God from rebellious Israel to newly-converted Christian nations the same process began in which there was an initial commitment to God's covenant by the people of a nation. Then, over time, there was a cooling off, compromise, and ultimate apostasy, leading to Divine judgment.

Christians are simply given to know that this world is not our home--we are just "passing through." Our reward will be determined by how faithful to God's word we remain in this present life. It will test our resolve, but fidelity to God will be rewarded in eternity.

The Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 the great tribulation, these are future events unfulfilled

johansen · Saturday at 11:50 PM

RandyPNW said:
The account of Jesus in his Olivet Discourse was largely for Israel.

had an interesting thought come to mind when i read that.

"I spoke only to my own"

RandyPNW · 2025-11-09T00:40:57-0600

Truth7t7 said:
The Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 the great tribulation, these are future events unfulfilled

Yes, lots of Christians hold to this "futurist" interpretation. I do not because of the direct relationship I see between Dan 9.26-27 and Luke 21.20.

The very thing described in Matthew and Mark as the AoD Luke identifies as the Roman Army of Jesus' time. That would begin a period of "Great Tribulation" for the Jewish People, lasting from the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD up until the end of the NT age.

For most Jews this "tribulation" began as judgment for their rejection of Christ's teaching. They would lose their land, their homes, and their temple worship.

For believing Jews it was similarly a tribulation in which they would lose their homes and land, but not due to their rejection of Christ. Rather, Jesus addressed his disciples to encourage them to brave the trouble brought upon them by their Jewish unbelieving brethren.

They were encouraged to maintain the testimony of God's grace to all, Jew and Gentile, even in the face of their persecution and rejection. And this has been the lot of Jewish believers from that time to this. It was made to be a model for believers from all nations who would have to endure similar things in their own nations.

RandyPNW · 2025-11-09T00:44:09-0600

johansen said:
had an interesting thought come to mind when i read that.

"I spoke only to my own"

Certainly during the OT era, in which Jesus ministered, he was speaking only to the Jewish People. But he certainly knew that this earthly ministry would be transfered over to the Roman nation and to the nations that would issue from it. Jesus said that the Kingdom of God would be taken from Israel and given to a nation that would be worthy of it--certainly more worthy of it than Israel had become.

Guojing · 2025-11-09T03:30:09-0600

RandyPNW said:
The very thing described in Matthew and Mark as the AoD Luke identifies as the Roman Army of Jesus' time. That would begin a period of "Great Tribulation" for the Jewish People, lasting from the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD up until the end of the NT age.

Where is the Mark of the Beast then?

RandyPNW · 2025-11-09T10:25:40-0600

Guojing said:
Where is the Mark of the Beast then?

The prophecy in Dan 9 and the Olivet Discourse of Jesus were focused upon the time of Jesus' earthly ministry, leading to his being "cut off." Both prophecies spoke of the fall of Jerusalem and the fall of the Temple following Israel's apostasy and rejection of Christ.

The Mark of the Beast was spoken of by John after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD and refers to the prophecy in Dan 7, where the "Little Horn," aka the Antichrist, will reign for 3.5 years, unmolested on earth and raining terror down upon the saints, ie the Church. And so, we are talking about two separate prophecies, one focusing upon Israel and the other focusing upon the entire Church at the end of the age.

I wouldn't claim to know what the Mark of the Beast is. But it's obvious that it is a means by which people can be differentiated between those who reject Christ and those who embrace Christ.

Those who reject Christ at this time will adapt to and embrace a corrupt world system that utterly rejects and persecutes Christianity. We will know those who throw their lot in with the world by their complete acceptance of this soon-to-come world system in all of its corruption.

We are already seeing the apostasy of Christian Civilization. And we are already seeing what that corruption is bringing, and how the world is coming to promote it. So, what the Mark is doesn't concern me, and doesn't seem to be the concern in the Scriptures. Our concern should simply be to follow Christ's word in our hearts and minds, and to do what we're shown to do.

Truth7t7 · 2025-11-09T12:31:45-0600

RandyPNW said:
The very thing described in Matthew and Mark as the AoD Luke identifies as the Roman Army of Jesus' time. That would begin a period of "Great Tribulation" for the Jewish People, lasting from the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD up until the end of the NT age.

The audience spoken to in Luke 21 is the future church who will lift their heads up and be eyewitnesses of the Lord's second coming, future events unfulfilled

There isnt a 2,000 year gap of continous tribulation seen in the olivet discourse as you claim, Jesus didn't return in the second coming in 70AD, it's that simple your preterist claims fall

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Truth7t7 · 2025-11-09T13:10:06-0600

RandyPNW said:
Certainly during the OT era, in which Jesus ministered, he was speaking only to the Jewish People. But he certainly knew that this earthly ministry would be transfered over to the Roman nation and to the nations that would issue from it. Jesus said that the Kingdom of God would be taken from Israel and given to a nation that would be worthy of it--certainly more worthy of it than Israel had become.

Rome didn't receive the kingdom of God as is suggested, they were absolute pagans worshipping the sun and many other pagan deities, bringing forth the fruits of satan

The Kingdom of God was taken from the Jews and given to the "Church" a holy nation bringing forth the fruits of God

Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9KJV
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Douggg · 2025-11-09T14:11:16-0600

Truth7t7 said:
The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

If the church were protected on earth during the time of the great tribulation - there would not be the great tribulation martyred saints.

Instead, the church will not be here on earth during the time of the great tribulation. The church will be taken in the resurrection/rapture event before the great tribulation begins.

The great tribulation will try everyone worldwide who will dwell upon the earth during that time.

Revelation 3:
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Truth7t7 · 2025-11-09T15:49:08-0600

Douggg said:
Revelation 3:
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

You post Revelation 3:10 as you claim that the church won't be on earth because of the hour of earths temptation, trying desperately to validate a pre-trib rapture?

You disregard Revelation 3:11 in context "Why"?

Verse 11 states clearly "Behold I Come Quickly" in the 2nd coming

Verse 11 "Hold that fast which thou hast" Jesus is speaking to a future church on earth at his second coming, no pre-trib rapture is seen as you suggest

Verse 12 "Him that overcometh" how does the church overcome if their in heaven in a pre-trib rapture, "Big Smiles"!

Revelation 3:11KJV
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Truth7t7 · 2025-11-09T17:29:49-0600

RandyPNW said:
The prophecy in Dan 9 and the Olivet Discourse of Jesus were focused upon the time of Jesus' earthly ministry, leading to his being "cut off." Both prophecies spoke of the fall of Jerusalem and the fall of the Temple following Israel's apostasy and rejection of Christ.

The Mark of the Beast was spoken of by John after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD and refers to the prophecy in Dan 7, where the "Little Horn," aka the Antichrist, will reign for 3.5 years, unmolested on earth and raining terror down upon the saints, ie the Church. And so, we are talking about two separate prophecies, one focusing upon Israel and the other focusing upon the entire Church at the end of the age.

I wouldn't claim to know what the Mark of the Beast is. But it's obvious that it is a means by which people can be differentiated between those who reject Christ and those who embrace Christ.

Those who reject Christ at this time will adapt to and embrace a corrupt world system that utterly rejects and persecutes Christianity. We will know those who throw their lot in with the world by their complete acceptance of this soon-to-come world system in all of its corruption.

We are already seeing the apostasy of Christian Civilization. And we are already seeing what that corruption is bringing, and how the world is coming to promote it. So, what the Mark is doesn't concern me, and doesn't seem to be the concern in the Scriptures. Our concern should simply be to follow Christ's word in our hearts and minds, and to do what we're shown to do.

As the OP shows, the (Two Witnesses) will control the 3.5 year tribulation through plagues as often as they will, this will be a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharoah of Egypt, as you disregard this fact as if it doesn't exist "Why"?

Revelation 11:3-6KJV

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

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