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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

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  • Maybe

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Yes very a much a paraphrase. If I take the time to show you, will you admit it then?
It's not a paraphrase, it's a primarily dynamic equivalence. Paraphrase Bibles are things like The Message that use English Bibles as their starting point. The NLT is a translation that primarily relied on dynamic equivalence, because dynamic equivalence is a more reliable method of translation.
 
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If you want to discuss what's written in Galatians, we can. But I'm not going to engage with you cherry picking verses out of their original context to try to force an interpretation.
Sure from Galatians 2, the verse you quoted what law was Paul speaking about. You identified that there is a law that pertained to the "old system" but which law was that from the context of this passage.
 
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Sure from Galatians 2, the verse you quoted what law was Paul speaking about. You identified that there is a law that pertained to the "old system" but which law was that from the context of this passage.
Where in Galatians do you get the idea that there are multiple laws?
 
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Where in Galatians do you get the idea that there are multiple laws?
I am asking you to identify the law that Paul is speaking of. It is well established that Paul quotes different laws, because there is a law that is holy, just and good Rom7:12 that cannot be the same law that is contrary and against.

Paul gives the context of what he is speaking about in this very chapter. He speaks of it often in several letters.
 
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I am asking you to identify the law that Paul is speaking of.
And I am asking you where in Galatians do you get the idea that there are multiple laws. If there is only one law, then what am I to identify?
 
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And I am asking you where in Galatians do you get the idea that there are multiple laws. If there is only one law, then what am I to identify?
So you don't know the context of what Paul is stating which is found in Gal 2:1-3 which sets up the entire chapter and these verses you quoted.
 
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It's not a paraphrase, it's a primarily dynamic equivalence. Paraphrase Bibles are things like The Message that use English Bibles as their starting point. The NLT is a translation that primarily relied on dynamic equivalence, because dynamic equivalence is a more reliable method of translation.
That might be what they say, but in the case of these verses in question it is very much a paraphrase. Here is a word for word translation. See the difference.

Gal 2:16 εἰδότες Knowing ὅτι That οὐ δικαιοῦται Is Not Justified ἄνθρωπος A Man ἐξ By ἔργων Works νόμου Of Law, ἐὰν IF μὴ Not διὰ Through πίστεως Faith Ἰησοῦ Of Jesus Χριστοῦ Christ, καὶ Also ἡμεῖς We εἰς INTO Χριστὸν Christ Ἰησοῦν Jesus ἐπιστεύσαμεν Believed, ἵνα That δικαιωθῶμεν We Might Be Justified ἐκ out of πίστεως Faith Χριστοῦ Of Christ, καὶ And οὐκ Not ἐξ out of ἔργων Works νόμου Of Law; διότι Because οὐ δικαιωθήσεται Shall Be Justified ἐξ out of ἔργων Works νόμου Of Law πᾶσα Any σάρξ Flesh.

Gal 2:17 εἰ δὲ Now If ζητοῦντες Seeking δικαιωθῆναι To Be Justified ἐν In Χριστῷ Christ εὑρέθημεν We Were Found καὶ Also αὐτοὶ Ourselves ἁμαρτωλοί Sinners, ἆρα 'Is' Then Χριστὸς Christ ἁμαρτίας Of Sin διάκονος Minister? μὴ γένοιτο May It Not Be!

Gal 2:18 εἰ γὰρ For If ἃ What κατέλυσα I Threw Down ταῦτα These Things πάλιν Again οἰκοδομῶ I Build, παραβάτην A Transgressor ἐμαυτὸν Myself συνίστημι I Constitute.

Gal 2:19 ἐγὼ γὰρ For I διὰ Through νόμου Law νόμῳ To Law ἀπέθανον Died, ἵνα That θεῷ To God ζήσω I May Live.

20 Χριστῷ Christ συνεσταύρωμαι I Have Been Crucified With, ζῶ δὲ Yet I Live, οὐκέτι No Longer ἐγώ I, ζῇ δὲ But Lives ἐν In ἐμοὶ Me Χριστός· Christ; ὃ δὲ But That Which νῦν Now ζῶ I Live ἐν In σαρκί Flesh, ἐν In πίστει Faith ζῶ I Live, τῇ That τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ θεοῦ Of God, τοῦ Who ἀγαπήσαντός Loved με Me καὶ And παραδόντος Gave Up ἑαυτὸν Himself ὑπὲρ For ἐμοῦ Me.
 
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So you don't know the context of what Paul is stating which is found in Gal 2:1-3 which sets up the entire chapter and these verses.
“Yet it was a concern because of the false brothers secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy on our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to enslave us. But we did not yield in subjection to them, even for an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This is talking about the legalists that wanted the Christians to first become Jews and keep the law. Paul calls them false brothers.
 
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That might be what they say, but in the case of these verses in question it is very much a paraphrase. Here is a word for word translation. See the difference.
You don't seem to grasp the difference between a paraphrase and a dynamic equivalence. Word for word is an inferior translation method, which is almost never used for translating across languages in ordinary practice because it is more likely to lead to inappropriate understandings. Dynamic equivalence is more reliable and more reflective of how people go about translating in ordinary circumstances because it is more likely to capture the true meaning of the text in the new language. So your premise that word for word is somehow more accurate is deeply flawed.
 
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So you don't know the context of what Paul is stating which is found in Gal 2:1-3 which sets up the entire chapter and these verses you quoted.
Where in there do you see the idea of multiple laws? What specifically?
 
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“Yet it was a concern because of the false brothers secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy on our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to enslave us. But we did not yield in subjection to them, even for an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This is talking about the legalists that wanted the Christians to first become Jews and keep the law. Paul calls them false brothers.
No point in adding more than one it says. Its about circumcision.
 
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Where in there do you see the idea of multiple laws? What specifically?
Neh9:13 Exo34:28 Deut 31:24-26 Read Romans 7, 1 Cor7:19, its all throughout the Bible.

Why would you think the law that is holy, just and good is the same law that is contrary and against. Its nonsensical and without proper understanding, can definitely lead someone in the wrong direction 1John2:4 Mat7:23 Rev22:15 etc.
 
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Neh9:13 Exo34:28 Deut 31:24-26 Read Romans 7, 1 Cor7:19, its all throughout the Bible.

Why would you think the law that is holy, just and good is the same law that is contrary and against. Its nonsensical and without proper understanding, can definitely lead someone in the wrong direction 1John2:4 Mat7:23 Rev22:15 etc.
Again you're bringing in foreign contexts, rather than sticking to the context of Galatians. Why is that?
 
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Again you're bringing in foreign contexts, rather than sticking to the context of Galatians. Why is that?
That's funny, I asked you to provide the context to what Paul is speaking about in the verses you posted, which you never did. If the Bible tells us there are different laws and Paul quotes them himself in different chapters, why would the letter in Galatians be isolated from all the rest of Scripture, its not.

I see this is not going to be fruitful to discuss, so you be well and take care.
 
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That's funny, I asked you to provide the context to what Paul is speaking about in that same chapter, which you never could.
It's not that I couldn't, but you're the one making claims about multiple laws so it's up to you to show how that comes from the context of the letter.
I see this is not going to be fruitful, so you be well and take care.
Yeah, enjoy your cherry picked proof texts.
 
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You don't seem to grasp the difference between a paraphrase and a dynamic equivalence. Word for word is an inferior translation method, which is almost never used for translating across languages in ordinary practice because it is more likely to lead to inappropriate understandings. Dynamic equivalence is more reliable and more reflective of how people go about translating in ordinary circumstances because it is more likely to capture the true meaning of the text in the new language. So your premise that word for word is somehow more accurate is deeply flawed.
You don't see that the issue is using words and phrases that are not in the text. makes it a paraphrase or even worse a commentary.

But call it what you want. A spade is still a spade.
 
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No point in adding more than one it says. Its about circumcision.
Hey there SB! It is about the Book of the Law which circumcision is in not Justifying anyone.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Because we are justified through faith. The Faith that is availed to us through Christ. The faith that Abraham had that established the Law. For God has said,
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 
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Hey there SB! It is about the Book of the Law which circumcision is in not Justifying anyone.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Because we are justified through faith. The Faith that is availed to us through Christ. The faith that Abraham had that established the Law. For God has said,
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Gal 2:3 is about circumcision which is part of the book of the law that Moses wrote that was placed besides the ark of the covenant Deut31:24-26. The Jews were requiring new Gentile converts to be circumcised to hear the gospel Gal 2:3 and in order to be saved Acts 15:1. This is what Paul was constantly correcting that they could save themselves apart from Jesus, which we know was never the role of circumcision or any law for that matter.

We are justified through faith agreed. :)

Those with faith do what our Lord and Savior asks. We are saved by grace through faith, our actions shows if our faith is genuine or not, like Abraham 26:5

Like Jesus taught

Luke 6:46But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
 
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Be nice? I am being nice. We have the responsibility to share and guide others to the Truth through the Spirit.

I don't take your comment about how you think I need to "recant" as a form of Christian fellowship. If anything, it's a form of gaslighting parading itself as "prophetic warning."

Again, I'm going to assert that I'm NOT sinning if I, or any other Trinitarian Christian, worships on 'sunday' rather than 'saturday.'

I also don't have the Mark of the Beast if I so decide to worship on Sunday.
 
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Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
BINGO!

That is one of my favorites of Paul's teachings.

It was on my mind; but somehow it did not come to the forefront.

I'm out of shape. I need to start exercising my ministry more often again.
 
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