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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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Brightfame52 said:
The Drawing is the commencement of Spiritual Salvation Titus 3:5
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Many believers rightly say that those who are truly born of God are “kept” by Him (John 10:28; 1 Peter 1:5; Jude 24). Yet God’s keeping does not override human will or coerce love. Scripture consistently shows that God draws (John 6:44), convicts (John 16:8), and calls (Revelation 3:20), but He does not force obedience. We are repeatedly exhorted to respond: “Choose you this day whom you will serve” (Joshua 24:15), “Choose life” (Deuteronomy 30:19), and “Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely” (Revelation 22:17). True receiving of God precedes transformation: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name” (John 1:12). Grace empowers our willing response (Philippians 2:13), but it does not eliminate choice. Those who walk with God must continue in faith (Hebrews 3:14; Galatians 5:4), yet those who persevere do so because God faithfully sustains them (Jude 24), not because He overrides their will. Salvation is relational, not coercive; God invites, we respond, and together He transforms our hearts while leaving our love genuinely free.
 
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Ain't Zwinglian said:
Kinda strange and bizarre reasoning. In the case of the thief, how could baptism be required if it wasn't established by Christ yet?

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If it wasn't established yet, what was Christ doing getting baptized by John and what was John doing Baptizing people?
 
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Ain't Zwinglian said:
Kinda strange and bizarre reasoning. In the case of the thief, how could baptism be required if it wasn't established by Christ yet?

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If you are going the route that something is required for salvation, then it is required for all. You can’t look at the most salient example in the Bible and say, Well, except for this instance. God doesn’t change.
 
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A New Dawn said:
something is required for salvation, then it is required for all.
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Chapter and verse? Or is this creative human reasoning.

Trusting in Christ's death and resurrection is required by all for eternal life. Does this mean all persons who died before Christ's death and resurrection are thrown in the lake of fire?
 
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Ain't Zwinglian said:
Chapter and verse? Or is this creative human reasoning.

Trusting in Christ's death and resurrection is required by all for eternal life. Does this mean all persons who died before Christ's death and resurrection are thrown in the lake of fire?
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God made it clear, before and after Christ, that salvation required faith in Christ. In the OT it was faith in looking forward to the promised messiah, in the NT and today, it is faith in the resurrected Lord. That is what the wall of faith in Hebrews 11 is all about.
 
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A New Dawn said:
God made it clear, before and after Christ, that salvation required faith in Christ. In the OT it was faith in looking forward to the promised messiah, in the NT and today, it is faith in the resurrected Lord. That is what the wall of faith in Hebrews 11 is all about.
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The OT messiah didn't necessarily mean faith in specifically Christ's death and resurrection. Jesus predicted three times to his disciples his death and resurrection and yet they didn't believe.

So the question is asked again: Trusting in Christ's death and resurrection is required by all for eternal life. Does this mean all persons who died before Christ's death and resurrection are thrown in the lake of fire?
 
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Mercy Shown said:
Many believers rightly say that those who are truly born of God are “kept” by Him (John 10:28; 1 Peter 1:5; Jude 24). Yet God’s keeping does not override human will or coerce love. Scripture consistently shows that God draws (John 6:44), convicts (John 16:8), and calls (Revelation 3:20), but He does not force obedience. We are repeatedly exhorted to respond: “Choose you this day whom you will serve” (Joshua 24:15), “Choose life” (Deuteronomy 30:19), and “Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely” (Revelation 22:17). True receiving of God precedes transformation: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name” (John 1:12). Grace empowers our willing response (Philippians 2:13), but it does not eliminate choice. Those who walk with God must continue in faith (Hebrews 3:14; Galatians 5:4), yet those who persevere do so because God faithfully sustains them (Jude 24), not because He overrides their will. Salvation is relational, not coercive; God invites, we respond, and together He transforms our hearts while leaving our love genuinely free.
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The Drawing is the commencement of Spiritual Salvation Titus 3:5
 
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Ain't Zwinglian said:
The OT messiah didn't necessarily mean faith in specifically Christ's death and resurrection. Jesus predicted three times to his disciples his death and resurrection and yet they didn't believe.
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Ain't Zwinglian said:
So the question is asked again: Trusting in Christ's death and resurrection is required by all for eternal life. Does this mean all persons who died before Christ's death and resurrection are thrown in the lake of fire?
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Can you give a scriptural reference that says we must believe in Jesus’ death and resurrection in order to be saved? We are saved by faith through grace that He is the Son of God who has come to save us from our sins (which he accomplishes by His death and resurrection) but it isn’t the process that saves us, it is Christ.

Lots of people are saved without having any theological knowledge, because they put their faith in Christ.
 
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A New Dawn said:
Can you give a scriptural reference that says we must believe in Jesus’ death and resurrection in order to be saved? We are saved by faith through grace that He is the Son of God who has come to save us from our sins (which he accomplishes by His death and resurrection) but it isn’t the process that saves us, it is Christ.

Lots of people are saved without having any theological knowledge, because they put their faith in Christ.
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Non responsive.
 
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