Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

SabbathBlessings said:

The One I know would give everyone a chance to repent,

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The one I know was sick of the wickedness and repented that he had made man in the flesh. Noah was the only one perfect (without blemish) in his generations. His family had not mixed. God had a plan and what was going on was not it.

SabbathBlessings said:

Noah was a preacher of righteousness, meaning he preached

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I'm sure he did before the flood.

These scriptures are fact-

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Genesis 6:5 "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart."


Genesis 6:7 "And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air for it repenteth Me that I have made them."

That's a truth. At that point, he stated he would destroy them. He's not giving them a chance to repent and Noah was not told to preach to them at that point. He knew Noah was perfect in his generations. -without blemish.


Genesis 6:13 "And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

God did not tell Noah to warn anyone at that point, he told him what to do and he did it. You can insert certain beliefs in there but that doesn't mean it's going to change the fact that God was going to destroy them at that point. He didn't want anyone on board other than Noah and his family -that was the point.

If you beleive that he didn't just only focused on saving his family, that's fine,

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That's the point -only his family were meant to be saved at that point. You need to reread the scriptures.

Genesis 6:17 "And behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."

Genesis 6:18 "But with thee will I establish My covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee."

Again, only Noah and his family were to be saved at at that point. This is just another example of trusting your church doctrine over what the Word is really stating.


If you have the scriptures that Noah warned them and preached to them about the flood, etc, feel free to post them. If not, why continue to judge people on how you believe they are adding to God's Word when you are doing just that?

timewerx said:

The majority of the Jews voted to have Jesus crucified

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A mob gathered and was yelling "crucify him", but that's not the same as having the residents of Palestine vote in a referendum.

BobRyan said:

John 16:2 Jesus said that people will claim god is approving of things that He does not approve of.

"2 They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. 3 2 They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. "

This helps explain the outstanding enthusiasm Saul had in his persecution of Christians

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NBB said:

Thanks for accusing me of that i guess......

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that was not a matter of accusing anyone of anything.

Rather I am pointing to the weakness of the argument that says "if I don't care about one of the Ten Commandments then that must be ok since I don't care about it".

The idea leads to "Whatever I care about must be the reals objective standard, not what God's Word says". Jesus Hims undercuts that kind of argument by pointing out that "people will feel like destroying the saints", just going by feelings is not sound measure of right vs wrong.

That would be true for all of us.

timewerx said:

Ironically, during the time of Jesus, the majority of the Jews worshipped on the Sabbath and they took the Sabbath very seriously.

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indeed they did.

But that did not stop them from plotting to murder Christ and His apostles.

Someone may choose not to take God's name in vain while at the same time stealing from a store. The act of stealing did not make it wrong for that person to choose not to take God's name in vain.

timewerx said:

Taking it in context, Jesus is more likely referring to His time (2000 years ago) and Matthew 7:13-14 among the Jewish population only.

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that is a pretty hefty bend-and-wrench

Here is Matt 7.

a. Only TWO classes of mankind on that last day, those on wide road and those on the narrow road.
b. so then most of mankind is lost even at the last when all is said and done
c. The difference can be seen in that good trees produce good fruit, bad trees do not according to Christ.
e. Explicitly stating that the fruit of the bad true is rejection of the word of God.

Matt 7

13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

A Tree and Its Fruit​

15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

timewerx said:

Ofc, those verses are also applicable to the entire world

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indeed and the context takes the reader "to that day".
A day when the lost are confronted by God telling them that they are doomed.

Nothing of that sort of epic judgment happened in Christ's day. IT was future to Christ and in Rom 2:13-16 future to Paul's day as well

timewerx said:

You can't say the entire Jewish population is the "good few"

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Nor can we say that all Christians are "the good few".

Notice the case of the lost in Matt 7

'Many will say TO ME -- LORD LORD did we not do all these things in YOUR NAME".

The people doing things in Jesus' name were not the unbelieving Jews., They are not the atheists, the Buddhists, Agnostics etc.

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You are illustrating the point that if you ignore enough details in the text you can assign the meaning to fit any preference you may wish to promote. So while that is true, it is not the best method for finding the truth in the text.

Some people think it got moved to Sunday morning in accordance w/ Jesus's resurrection.
Some people think Saturday evening or Sunday morning is the same day still so either or counts.
Some people think it doesn't matter as long as 1 day is set aside.
Some people think no day should be set aside

I think #1 is right, but doesn't discount 2 or 3. I don't agree w/ 4. I voted No

JulieB67 said:

These scriptures are fact-

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Genesis 6:5 "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart."


Genesis 6:7 "And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air for it repenteth Me that I have made them."

That's a truth. At that point, he stated he would destroy them.

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And He gave them many witnesses, many opportunities to repent

Adam for 900 years
Enoch, for 300 years
Methuselah for 900 years
Noah for 600 years

Every day building an Ark that testifies to the coming judgment of all mankind by a world wide flood... for 120 years

JulieB67 said:

He's not giving them a chance to repent

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If you ignore enough details.

Peter says Noah was indeed preaching

Gal 3:8 tells us that the Gospel was preached to Abraham

All of that is God's view of it, God's plan.

God "who is not willing for ANY to perish but rather for all to come to repentance" 2 Peter 3.

John 3:16 "God so loved THE WORLD that HE gave.."

It does not say "God so loved just the Jews, or Just a few Jews"

John 1:11 "He came to HIS OWN and His OWN received Him not"

"But to AS MANY as received Him , them THEM He gave the right to be called the sons of God" John 1:12

JulieB67 said:

God did not tell Noah to warn anyone at that point, he told him what to do and he did it. You can insert certain beliefs

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God is the one saying Noah was a preacher of righteousness and in 1 Peter 3 God says it is the Spirit of Christ preaching to the lost in the days of Noah , during the construction of the Ark.

JulieB67 said:

He didn't want anyone on board other than Noah and his family -that was the point.

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If you ignore a sufficient amount of details in the text ... you can get to that point

God tells Jonah to warn Nineveh .. Jonah was determined that the people of Nineveh would be destroyed so his message to them was only doom.

But the whole point of warning is always to get the lost to turn from their doom, so when the people of that city repented God also changed the sentence of doom. This made Jonah angry with God. He told God that he gave Nineveh a hard message because he suspected God's nature of pardon and forgiveness might mean rescue and deliverance for Nineveh. Jonah seemed to be arguing your same point.

DragonFox91 said:

Some people think it got moved to Sunday morning in accordance w/ Jesus's resurrection.
Some people think Saturday evening or Sunday morning is the same day still so either or counts.
Some people think it doesn't matter as long as 1 day is set aside.
Some people think no day should be set aside

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Some people think God's moral law can't be edited or changed by tradition Mark 7:7-13

Some people think that the same "Every Sabbath" worship service that we see Paul joining in - in Acts 18:4 is the same Saturday Sabbath , Holy Day as we find in Gen 1:2-3 confirmed in Ex 20:11 in legal code

Some people think Isaiah 66:23 teaches that for all eternity after the cross , in the New Earth, "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship".

Some people notice that in Acts 13 , it is gentiles not Jews asking for "more gospel preaching to be scheduled for the next Sabbath" and the context makes it clear that Sabbath is the day the Jews met in the Synagogues.

BobRyan said:

Some people think God's moral law can't be edited or changed by tradition Mark 7:7-13

Some people think that the same "Every Sabbath" worship service that we see Paul joining in - in Acts 18:4 is the same Saturday Sabbath , Holy Day as we find in Gen 1:2-3 confirmed in Ex 20:11 in legal code

Some people think Isaiah 66:23 teaches that for all eternity after the cross , in the New Earth, "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship".

Some people notice that in Acts 13 , it is gentiles not Jews asking for "more gospel preaching to be scheduled for the next Sabbath" and the context makes it clear that Sabbath is the day the Jews met in the Synagogues.

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Those sound all like the same people to me.

BobRyan said:
Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the Law"

Hentenza said:

Wretched out of context.

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Nope. 100% on point. Notice how Rom 3 begins, the context is the OT word of God and the commandments of God define what sin is, according to Rom 3:19. Your objection needs us to ignore a lot of details in the actual chapter.

Hentenza said:

Paul calls the law ineffective and weak just 5 books later.

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Which is not the immediate context of Rom 3 where we see that the Word of God given the the Jews is the point of context for the chapter.

Rom 8:2-3 says the Law is weak due to sinful flesh not being able to keep it but then says that those who walk by the Spirit are in fact establishing the Law in Rom 3:31 terms

Hentenza said:

Is Paul arguing against himself?

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No but your snip reference ignores so many details that you can't accept the Rom 3:31 statement as it reads IN the chapter context in which we find it.

That is instructive for the unbiased objective reader , wouldn't you agree?

DragonFox91 said:

Some people think it got moved to Sunday morning in accordance w/ Jesus's resurrection.
Some people think Saturday evening or Sunday morning is the same day still so either or counts.
Some people think it doesn't matter as long as 1 day is set aside.
Some people think no day should be set aside

I think #1 is right, but doesn't discount 2 or 3. I don't agree w/ 4. I voted No

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Muslims - Friday
Judaists (formerly called Pharisee) - Saturday
Christians - Sunday.

Put it on wheel and we might have a fun game (game not recommended for multidenominational Christians playing at the same time).

BobRyan said:

If you ignore enough details.

Peter says Noah was indeed preaching

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Yes, the word states Noah was a preacher but God had decided to wipe out all flesh in the flood and "only" save Noah and his family. That is a fact. He did not plan on saving anyone but them. You can insert whatever belief you may have but it's not going to change that fact. He stated he was going to destroy them and told Noah he was going to do just that. This has nothing to do with any preaching that might have happened before the flood. But at that point, God had enough. If you can provide scriptures stating that Noah warned them about the flood, provide them but the scriptures are pretty clear it was only going to be Noah and his family once God decided to destroy all the flesh. As for Christ it states "after" he died he was quickened in the Spirit by which he taught the spirits in prison, not Noah.

BobRyan said:

All of that is God's view of it, God's plan.

God "who is not willing for ANY to perish but rather for all to come to repentance" 2 Peter 3.

John 3:16 "God so loved THE WORLD that HE gave.."

It does not say "God so loved just the Jews, or Just a few Jews"

John 1:11 "He came to HIS OWN and His OWN received Him not"

"But to AS MANY as received Him , them THEM He gave the right to be called the sons of God" John 1:12

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It wasn't his plan on what was happening in Gen 6. And these verses have nothing to do with that.

Hentenza said:

Wretched out of context. Paul calls the law ineffective and weak just 5 books later. Is Paul arguing against himself? Then of course there is Galatians.

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You are indeed taking Paul out of context.

Rom. 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

God's Law was never intended to take away sin. That was never it's intent. It was given by God to His People to show them what righteousness is and what sin is. This is why the Jesus "of the Bible" said:

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and "his righteousness"; and all these things shall be added unto you.


According to Paul's teaching, When a person "Yields themselves" servants to obey God, that is walking in the Spirit, so that the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in those who "walk after the Spirit".

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Those who reject God's Laws or Judgments, or judges them as "not righteousness", as Eve did, they are "walking after the flesh".

Paul teaches that Before repentance, "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience", he was "Dead in Trespasses and Sins".

There was no Law that could take away this death. But for those who believe (Have Faith), that if they follow Paul's instructions for both Jews and Gentile, "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance", that Jesus is Faithful to take away their sins.

The Pharisees, just like the disobedience Israelites in Isaiah 1, full well rejected the Commandments of God that they might live by and promote the traditions and commandments of men. Yet every week they would gather together unto God and bringing the Blood of innocent beings, as per the Law, to "Justify their wicked Flesh".

But as the Spirit of Christ told them through Isaiah, and the same Spirit of Christ told them through Paul, "by the works of the Law is no Flesh justified".

What God requires instead, He tells men if they would only believe Him.

Is. 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

What does God Want?

16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Paul's teaching is the same.

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God "is created in righteousness and true holiness."

Same Christ, Same circumstance, Same Gospel. As it is written: "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.