Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

BPPLEE · Friday at 5:26 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
To clarify, what I meant was I was unclear about the bias you were alleging.

Regardless, the question of "respect" gets muddy pretty quickly. I probably agree with you more than you suspect, but there's still the fact that when officers are in uniform, they aren't mere human beings; they're agents of the state. They're the carnal manifestation of the government's authority to use violence to coerce compliance with its laws. The relationship between cops and civilians is just fundamentally different than it is between two civilians.

There are ways of interacting with the state that are proper (e.g. protesting, refusing to engage in conversation) that would be considered rude or disrespectful if done to another civilian. I do think a lot of people use "protest" as an excuse to act like petty jerks and I do think cops deserve to be treated with decency and respect, but they're still not the same.

I've seen people protest, decline to assist in an investigation and assert their right to remain silent without being disrespectful

GoldenBoy89 · Friday at 5:28 PM

essentialsaltes said:
This occupation has no end.

Or purpose at all.

Can any Trump fans here tell just what they think the NG is achieving with this indefinite occupation of our nation’s capital?

iluvatar5150 · Friday at 5:29 PM

BPPLEE said:
I've seen people protest, decline to assist in an investigation and assert their right to remain silent without being disrespectful

Sure, and the flip side of that is that there are different notions of "respect." There's civility or decency and then there's compliance or obeisance. If we're talking about the former, I'm on board. The latter, not so much.

GoldenBoy89 · Friday at 5:34 PM

Bradskii said:
If I was the guy''s commander I'd tear him another. 'Just what the ..... did you think you were doing! He threw a sandwich?' I'd seriously consider standing him down for overreacting.

Yeah here’s the problem. This guy’s commander is likely just as bad or much worse than he is. These agencies have gone completely rogue and answer to almost no one.

I’m not at all convinced these people don’t enjoy what they’re doing to their fellow Americans. There’s plenty of videos of ICE/CBP agents mocking and insulting the people they’re interacting with while out in the field, and much worse. That’s why I feel a sandwich thrown at one is honestly the lightest these people deserve. In some other time, targeting some other group than harmless migrant workers, these officers would be dealing with an armed response to their actions. They should be thankful the people protesting them have been so kind. They don’t deserve it.

GoldenBoy89 · Friday at 5:38 PM

BPPLEE said:
They're just following orders. Should they be denied basic human dignity?

That’s what they’re doing to others. They deserve the same in return.

GoldenBoy89 · Friday at 5:43 PM

BPPLEE said:
You can't arrest someone for disrespect. My question has been is disrespect acceptable morally, not legally

Respect should be earned, not assumed. Treat people with respect and they should treat you the same.

Do you think ICE agents have been totally respectful towards the communities they’re policing?

BCP1928 · Friday at 5:44 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
Or purpose at all.

Can any Trump fans here tell just what they think the NG is achieving with this indefinite occupation of our nation’s capital?

“We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this mayor have placed on this country.” --Kristi Noem.

BPPLEE · Friday at 6:01 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
Respect should be earned, not assumed. Treat people with respect and they should treat you the same.

Do you think ICE agents have been totally respectful towards the communities they’re policing?

Do you think all law enforcement officers should be judged by the actions of a few?

BPPLEE · Friday at 6:02 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
That’s what they’re doing to others. They deserve the same in return.

All of them?

GoldenBoy89 · Friday at 6:06 PM

BPPLEE said:
Do you think all law enforcement officers should be judged by the actions of a few?

Generally, no.

ICE is a special case. They were around before this administration gave them this assignment and have been doing their jobs just fine. There is a marked difference in their entire approach to immigration enforcement now where it seems maximum cruelty is the whole point, normal law enforcement a second concern.

GoldenBoy89 · Friday at 6:07 PM

BPPLEE said:
All of them?

Yes. That’s their approach towards the undocumented. They deserve the same treatment.

BPPLEE · Friday at 6:13 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
Yes. That’s their approach towards the undocumented. They deserve the same treatment.

How many have you observed first hand?

Hans Blaster · Friday at 7:50 PM

BPPLEE said:
It’s okay to disrespect someone?

Yes.

BPPLEE said:
Or it’s just okay to disrespect someone who works in law enforcement?

Respect is earned. So are reputations.

BPPLEE said:
Are they not human beings? Do they not deserve to be treated like other human beings?

Your asking this about ICE/DHS/BCP migrant patrols? Seriously?

BPPLEE said:
And since it’s a constitutional right does that make it okay to disrespect people because of their occupation? Because you have a right to do it does that make it acceptable?

When you join a gang, you know live with their earned reputation.

BPPLEE · Friday at 7:53 PM

Hans Blaster said:
Yes.

Respect is earned. So are reputations.

Your asking this about ICE/DHS/BCP migrant patrols? Seriously?

When you join a gang, you know live with their earned reputation.

You lost me when you said it's okay to disrespect someone. Besides that you've already demonstrated how little you know about law enforcement

rjs330 · Friday at 9:11 PM

essentialsaltes said:
As long as it's on your own time and doesn't interfere with your work (like supplying marriage licenses) of course.

Okay, I can get on board with that. If a cop says nasty things about gay people but treats them okay at work that would be fine.

wing2000 · Saturday at 8:39 AM

wing2000 said:
“I could feel it through my ballistic vest,” the agent testifies. “The sandwich…exploded all over my uniform. I could smell the onions and the mustard.” As Joseph Conrad’s Kurtz might have testified....

Does this man have any self-respect?

BPPLEE · Saturday at 11:00 AM

wing2000 said:
Does this man have any self-respect?

"Might" have testified

Hans Blaster · Saturday at 2:35 PM

BPPLEE said:
You lost me when you said it's okay to disrespect someone. Besides that you've already demonstrated how little you know about law enforcement

I do know that a lot of people are interested in it because they want to order people around like tough guys.

If there is an agency that has earned total and complete disrespect it is ICE/BCP and it didn't start this year.

BPPLEE · Saturday at 2:50 PM

Hans Blaster said:
I do know that a lot of people are interested in it because they want to order people around like tough guys.

If there is an agency that has earned total and complete disrespect it is ICE/BCP and it didn't start this year.

There are definitely people who have no business being in law enforcement but you are judging all of them by the actions of a few.
It's not about ordering people around

wing2000 · 2025-11-09T11:22:14-0600

BPPLEE said:
"Might" have testified

Refer to the court record if you have some doubt as to whether he testified.

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