Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

[rjs330]

Nobody's stopping you from exercising your First Amendment rights. Certainly not the Supreme Court. See Snyder v Phelps (among many many others)

Hence why government employees who got fired for disrespecting Charlie Kirk should generally win their cases.

Hey I'm all for that as long as governement employees are allowed to disrespect trans people, or minorities too. Picking and choosing who you can disrespect as a government employee should be off limits. Either you can disrespect no one or everyone.

 

[BPPLEE]

No, the presence of CPB officers was performance art, not a serious law enforcement activity.

They were just following orders, should we disrespect them for that?
I mean @iluvatar5150 literally went off because I suggested we shouldn't disrespect law enforcement officers.
If they do something wrong, sure but because of what a few do should we disrespect all of them?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Hey I'm all for that as long as governement employees are allowed to disrespect trans people, or minorities too. Picking and choosing who you can disrespect as a government employee should be off limits. Either you can disrespect no one or everyone.

As long as it's on your own time and doesn't interfere with your work (like supplying marriage licenses) of course.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think its a matter of who. Disrespecting authority is honored in America. That's what had been acknowledged and allowed by the courts. Its an tradition among the citizenry in almost every free state.

However I draw the line at throwing stuff at them. They take a LOT of verbal abuse. But throwing anything should be a crime of some sort. We could probably set a standard of you can throw something no heavier or denser than a singular standard quarter sized cotton ball if you really felt compelled to throw something.

Sounds like congress needs to create a law or upgrade the current federal law.

Just because it's legal, just because it's a constitutional right, should you do it? Is it the moral thing to do?
Shouldn't everyone be treated with respect?
If they do something wrong that's different but disrespecting someone simply because of their occupation doesn't seem moral to me

 

[essentialsaltes]

Just because you have a right to do something, should you?

That, people have to decide for themselves. However, this is a free country, and everyone has that freedom.

 

[BPPLEE]

As long as it's on your own time and doesn't interfere with your work (like supplying marriage licenses) of course.

I agree what people do on their own time should not cause consequences where they work (outside of criminal activity)

 

[BPPLEE]

That, people have to decide for themselves. However, this is a free country, and everyone has that freedom.

Doesn't every human being deserve to be treated with respect until they behave in a manner that would negate that?

 

[BCP1928]

They were just following orders, should we disrespect them for that?
I mean @iluvatar5150 literally went off because I suggested we shouldn't disrespect law enforcement officers.
If they do something wrong, sure but because of what a few do should we disrespect all of them?

We don't.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Doesn't every human being deserve to be treated with respect until they behave in a manner that would negate that?

I believe so, but Americans are not legally obligated to do so.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It’s okay to disrespect someone? Or it’s just okay to disrespect someone who works in law enforcement? Are they not human beings? Do they not deserve to be treated like other human beings?
And since it’s a constitutional right does that make it okay to disrespect people because of their occupation? Because you have a right to do it does that make it acceptable?

Are we talking morally or legally? Morally, no, I don't think it's (usually) okay. Legally, it's fine.

I get really suspicious when cops start talking about "disrespect."

The officer was a jerk? How so?

The question I was answering was how would I feel if the roles had been reversed.

 

[BPPLEE]

We don't.

@iluvatar5150 said
you can get right out of here with that "disrespect" business.

 

[BPPLEE]

Are we talking morally or legally? Morally, no, I don't think it's (usually) okay. Legally, it's fine.

I get really suspicious when cops start talking about "disrespect."


The question I was answering was how would I feel if the roles had been reversed.

"get really suspicious when cops start talking about "disrespect."

You're showing your bias

 

[BCP1928]

Just because it's legal, just because it's a constitutional right, should you do it? Is it the moral thing to do?
Shouldn't everyone be treated with respect?
If they do something wrong that's different but disrespecting someone simply because of their occupation doesn't seem moral to me

OK, but we're not talking about "moral," we're talking about legal. The very presence of BCP officers in combat gear acting in an aggressive fashion was of questionable legality. They were ordered to act confrontationally and they got confronted by a guy with a sandwich. His actions were of questionable legality as well, disorderly conduct would have been a slam dunk conviction. Trying to turn it into felonious assault just made the administration look silly.

 

[BCP1928]

"get really suspicious when cops start talking about "disrespect."

You're showing your bias

Right. Disrespecting their performance or authority as cops is not the same as respecting them as human beings.

 

[essentialsaltes]

DC National Guard deployment in nation’s capital ordered by Trump extended to Feb. 28

The formal order, dated Nov. 4, extends the original order from Aug. 11 and says the Guard members will be in the city at least through Feb. 28. The order states the additional duty is in response to the emergency declared in August by President Donald Trump and under directions from the “Secretary of War to protect federal property and functions in the District of Columbia and to support federal and District law enforcement.”

The National Guard task force appears to have spent a large portion of its time on yardwork and landscaping efforts around the nation’s capital.

This occupation has no end.

 

[BPPLEE]

OK, but we're not talking about "moral," we're talking about legal. The very presence of BCP officers in combat gear acting in an aggressive fashion was of questionable legality. They were ordered to act confrontationally and they got confronted by a guy with a sandwich. His actions were of questionable legality as well, disorderly conduct would have been a slam dunk conviction. Trying to turn it into felonious assault just made the administration look silly.

I've already said the exact same thing earlier in the thread.
It was disorderly conduct. Assault was overcharging.
But in the grand scheme of things it was disrespectful.

 

[BPPLEE]

Right. Disrespecting their performance or authority as cops is not the same as respecting them as human beings.

Then disrespecting you as a poster on this forum is not the same as disrespecting you as a human being. If you want to split hairs like that then I can say your posts are ignorant and juvenile and you can't get offended (for example only)

 

[BCP1928]

I've already said the exact same thing earlier in the thread.
It was disorderly conduct. Assault was overcharging.
But in the grand scheme of things it was disrespectful.

And in the grand scheme of things the overall effort of Federal law enforcement was not worthy of respect, even though individual officers might be.

 

[Bradskii]

People are saying the officer should have ignored it, they totally excuse the person who threw the sandwich.

Someone is being a nuisance in a bar. You're standing there and he throws a packet of crisps at you and runs off. What do you and your friends do?

If it was me we'd all burst out laughing. Which is what the officer and his colleagues should have done. Anything else, like them charging after him in full riot gear and armed to the teeth just makes them look like idiots.

If I was the guy''s commander I'd tear him another. 'Just what the ..... did you think you were doing! He threw a sandwich?' I'd seriously consider standing him down for overreacting.

 

[BPPLEE]

And in the grand scheme of things the overall effort of Federal law enforcement was not worthy of respect, even though individual officers might be.

They're just following orders. Should they be denied basic human dignity?