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Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown
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BPPLEE
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It most certainly was. And I'm not just talking about this one incident, @iluvatar5150 made this about respect for all law enforcement officers (or lack thereof)
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Well, get after that guy who hurled those chips at you at point blank range. It was an affront to your basic human dignity! Well, get after him assuming you hadn't been too badly hurt and needed medical assistance.
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What bias is that?
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I'm not exactly clear on what you're referring to.
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CBP agents are just regular people. They get paid to do a job. They probably didn't want to be there but they were following orders.
It's not unreasonable to suggest that they should be treated with the same respect as any other human being.
@BCP1928 just said disrespecting them as law enforcement officers is not the same as disrespecting them as human beings. When someone puts on a uniform they are no longer human beings?
Sandwich guy should have been charged with disorderly conduct or let go with a warning. But I don't blame those guys for losing their tempers
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OK, I can agree with that. The trouble is that the morality of the disrespected plays into it as well. If you're on shakey moral ground then even body armor won't protect you from the disrespect of others.
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I think they should all be sent home. ICE should stop working in sanctuary cities. They should ramp up enforcement everywhere else. Sanctuary cities should be the only place where illegal immigrants don't get deported.
If they want them there, let them have them, all of them
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To clarify, what I meant was I was unclear about the bias you were alleging.
Regardless, the question of "respect" gets muddy pretty quickly. I probably agree with you more than you suspect, but there's still the fact that when officers are in uniform, they aren't mere human beings; they're agents of the state. They're the carnal manifestation of the government's authority to use violence to coerce compliance with its laws. The relationship between cops and civilians is just fundamentally different than it is between two civilians.
There are ways of interacting with the state that are proper (e.g. protesting, refusing to engage in conversation) that would be considered rude or disrespectful if done to another civilian. I do think a lot of people use "protest" as an excuse to act like petty jerks and I do think cops deserve to be treated with decency and respect, but they're still not the same.
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Agreed.
The government, or in this case, the DC Federal Attorney, chose to first charge the defenent with a felony. When the judge shot that down, "Sandwich Guy was charged with misdemeanor assault under 18 U.S.C. 111(a)(1), which prohibits forcibly assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, or interfering with federal officials or employees “while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties.”
The Feds went overboard to assert their authority.....and look tough.....from the way they arrested the defendent (with video cameras rolling) to the overcharging and going to court. At any point, a resonable prosecutor would have found a way to settle on a lessor charge to avoid a trial. Alas, the DC Attorney's office had other objectives than serving justice.
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@Bradskii for one, thinks it should have been ignored
@iluvatar5150 seems to have taken offense at the idea that law enforcement officers should be respected and @BCP1928 says disrespecting a law enforcement officer is not the same as disrespecting them as a human being
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