BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

keras said:

The charge if misreading and misapplying, would stick if Gods plans were all over and what I thought would happen; didn't.
But it's not all over yet by a long way, so your accusations are invalid.

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No, they're not invalid.
The scroll and the basket in Zechariah 5 are two different things. They probably are different in the Hebrew too, otherwise translators would not translate them differently.

The scroll was flying and had a message on both sides. The angel explained what it meant - a message was going out over all the land that thieves and liars would be banished.
Then the angel said "look up and see what is appearing". The scroll wasn't appearing, it was there and had already been seen.
It was a basket/measuring container that was appearing. This container had a cover. From the context it is clear that the lead cover covered the opening of the container, because the angel looked inside.
In your scenario, the entire object - which was the same as the scroll and tube shaped - was covered in lead.

Zechariah was speaking God's word for that time. Prophecy is not spiritual fortune telling and is not mainly about the future.
Zechariah described a series of visions - a man among the myrtle trees, a man with a measuring line, Joshua, the high priest, standing before the Lord with clean garments, and so on. All of these things had significance for what the Lord was saying at that time.
You haven't addressed these other visions or even considered the rest of the book - but selected chapter 5 and made it seem as though the Lord was prophesying that Iran would use/have nuclear bombs.

keras said:

Your reason to reject my explanation is because it cannot apply to todays situation, correct?

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No, I reject your explanation because the text does not support it.
1. The scroll and the basket are two different objects.
2. The message on the scroll, on one side condemns thieves, on the other, condemns those who speak falsely. Only those two groups of people are condemned - not adulterers, those who worship idols or anyone else.
3. The angel said that the basket was their iniquity (NIV. Many Bibles have the word "appearance" or "sight"/"eye" in this verse) throughout the land. Iniquity = sin; all sin not just thieves and liars.
4. The word basket is also translated as "measuring container". This receptacle is wickedness; "measuring container" suggests that the Lord has been measuring, or keeping count of, their sin.
5. The book of Zechariah begins with the Lord saying that he was angry with their ancestors who did not listen to the prophets who told them to repent. He, the Lord, says "return to me and I will return to you", Zechariah 1:3. The rest of the book seems to be about punishing/blessing the people and also punishing their enemies.

keras said:

No, but flat rejection without a feasible alternative, is unacceptable.

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I'm not rejecting the text but your interpretation of it.
I have talked about Zechariah 5 and also about reading Scripture in context and not just applying it to today because you believe that is the right thing to do.
You have rejected that because you seem fixated on the idea that the prophets came to prophesy messages for our future. This prophecy of Zechariah's, you say, needs to be fulfilled, has not yet been and will therefore be fulfilled in the future. With that in mind, you have come up with an interpretation that has the prophet foreseeing that Iran will have nuclear bombs.
No one else anywhere in the NT even hints at such a thing.

keras said:

Why are you here then, discussing end time things?

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This is not the Eschatology section of the forum but the Controversial theology section. If it had been in the Eschatology section and I had chosen to go onto that forum just to say that I didn't want to discuss end times - that would be a valid question, because my actions and my words would be at odds with each other.
I was intrigued by the title of your thread, read it and chose to reply saying that I do not agree.

Besides, saying that the Lord has shown me things through his word - i.e taught me - by "end times" is not one of them, does not stop me from commenting on your beliefs about end times.

keras said:

The Lord has opened my eyes to how many of His Words thru the Prophets, will be accomplished.

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If they will be accomplished, then they will be accomplished. Iran might even have, and set off, a nuclear bomb.
That still doesn't mean you are correct to say that is the message of Zec 5.

Daniel Marsh said:

In the USAF, I programmed those missles.

May God bless all with good cooperative families, good health, prosperity, long life, wisdom and someone find a cure for the virus.

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Point being all of mankind remains engaged with internal unseen adversaries, missiles and oh my's notwithstanding

keras said:

Just WOW!
So has God just Written a fictional book, with no application for us today? I absolutely reject that idea and think you are taking a huge risk to say what you do.

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Which is why I didn't say it!

I'm talking about context, and have been all along.
I'm talking about reading verses/passages in their immediate setting, asking who they were written for, the circumstances at the time and what those who heard the words would have understood by them.
I'm talking about NOT reading a verse/verses, saying "that applies to us/this situation" and teaching that that is the case without proper study and discernment.

Study and exegesis is the correct and good thing to do - it does not equate to saying "God has written a fictional book".
If that's how you jump to conclusions and misread other people's words, no wonder no one agrees with your interpretations.

keras said:

I confidently believe that Zech 5 does describe todays situation.

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You can believe what you want. You are not being true to the text, and context. That was my only point.

keras said:

I placed my post about the 12 theories BUSTED here, because I got kicked off another forum for my; so called- 'heresy'.

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And doesn't it ever give you pause for thought/concern that, not only does almost no one agree with you, you are now being told you are heretical?

Or are you so convinced of your own efforts in interpreting God's word, that you won't listen to correction?

keras said:

You are like most Christians, quite unaware of Gods plans for our future.

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What you SAY are God's plans for our future.
It's possible you were saying the same thing in 2011 - how did that turn out for you?

keras said:

Thank you, for your genuine concern, your input has allowed me to present the case of the Prophetic Word.

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This discussion has only served to convince me further of the importance of reading/studying the Bible in context. I don't believe you've done that with regard to Zec 5 so I reject your interpretation.
It seems that I am not the only one who has done so.

keras said:

Spiritual people will inhabit the new earth forever. Revelation 21 to 22: 1-5

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We are spiritual people already beginning at Pentecost, and yes, the church, once it began, never ends. Ephesians 3:21, Psalms 135:14, Psalms 72:5
Where does it say we shall be raised with immortal bodies and live upon the earth forever. It says "raised to eternal life".
Matthew 25:46
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

keras said:

Jesus is in heaven now and the place for all the righteous peoples; those whose names are found in the Book of Life, is in the new Jerusalem, that will come down from heaven - AFTER the Judgment; Rev 20:11-15

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Then what's the Heavenly Jerusalem that they came to? Is not the New Jerusalem the City of the Living God and called the bride?

If the New Jerusalem isn't built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ as the chief cornerstone, then what's it built on?
Rev21:14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Ephesians 2:19-22
Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, / built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. / In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. ...
1 Peter 2:4As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight, 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone,
a chosen and precious cornerstone;
and the one who believes in Him
will never be put to shame.”

Hebrews 12:
22Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels 23in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

The judgement of Rev 20 has to harmonize with the scripture that follows.
Rev 14:7And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
Then in verse 13 proves that physical death continues from then on when it says:13And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
Peter said He was "ready to judge the living and the dead" 1 Peter 4:5 and Paul said He was "about to judge the living and the dead."
Here I'm using the literal translation of it because it appears as a future tense in many other translations when it isn't according to the Greek, it's a present participle followed by the present infinitive. Easily proven here:2 Timothy 4:1 Greek Text Analysis

2 Timothy 4:1
Literal Standard Version
I fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge [the] living and dead at His appearing and His Kingdom—
Berean Literal Bible
I earnestly declare before God and Christ Jesus, the One being about to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
Young's Literal Translation
I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign --
Smith's Literal Translation
I call to witness before God there fore, and the Lord Jesus Christ, being about to judge the living and the dead according to his appearance and his kingdom;

keras said:

I believe that Zechariah 5:1-11 is a prophecy being fulfilled in our day.
Proof is: We can see it, but the ancient people didn't.

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I believe you're wrong. It seems you're the only one who can "see it".
So I'll leave you to believe that you will be in the Holy Land at the age of 120 - I hope you enjoy it.

Of course, it's entirely possible that things won't happen as you expect them to - just as happened in 2012.
But that's for you to deal with.

keras said:

Ask someone: What is a large round object; longer than its diameter, that has its contents under a lead cover and it flies long distances through the atmosphere? Just about everyone today would answer: A nuke missile.

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Now ask them about a flying scroll that has a message on it regarding thieves and those who speak falsely; ask them to explain how that is like a nuclear missile.
They'll either say that it isn't, and/or tell you to stop talking nonsense.

keras said:

It is not possible for Gods Prophets to be wrong.

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You're not a prophet. You were wrong in 2012.

keras said:

God will take action in His Creation again, as He did in the days of Noah.

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Yes, because Jesus will return one day.
It may not be in the way, and at the time, that you're expecting.