Fr. Josiah On Pornography, and Nick Fuentes

Chesterton · Thursday at 5:58 PM

lismore said:
Hello zippy. This gentleman Fuentes admires both Stalin and Hitler? That's like joining the KKK and the Black Panthers both. He must be a wee bit confused. God Bless

I don't know what he meant by the Stalin thing. Amazingly some people like him. There's a Stalin society in England. Years ago I argued with a Stalin fan on CF. He was also a Muslim, like the Muslim Communist who now is in charge of NYC, I guess.

Chesterton · Thursday at 6:12 PM

zippy2006 said:
Simple: because Fr. Trenham trusts Tucker Carlson and Tucker platforms folk like this. This is the underlying problem in my estimation. Too few understand how far Tucker has shifted, and Tucker takes advantage of this.

And another thing, speaking of NYC...

If it looks like I agree with or am defending Fuentes, no, I'm in it for free speech. I agree with some things he says, I strongly disagree with others. But if they can cancel people now, they may cancel Christians for being Christian in the future. They've already been legislating bits of Christianity in the U.K. and Canada.

If you don't know, there are two social media guys opposed to Nick. Both have very large followings on Twitch. They are Hasan Piker and a guy who goes by Destiny. Hasan is a Muslim Communist. He was invited and attended Mamdani's victory party two nights ago. To get in required an invitation and a ticket. Hasan has said that the 9/11 attacks were wonderful and deserved. He has blatantly called for his followers to murder middle class Americans in the streets.

Destiny has described the time he himself was going to murder a person who lives near him, because the person disagrees with him online. He described purchasing a gun, plotting it out, but then changed his mind because, in his words, he makes too much money online.

So it's the double-standard and hypocrisy that grinds my gears. Nick makes cookie joke thing, gets his life turned upside down. Hasan and Destiny outright call for and approve of violence against innocent people, and nobody lays a finger on them. They just sit back and keep using their hate to keep raking in the dough.

FenderTL5 · Thursday at 6:26 PM

ArmyMatt said:
I dunno, you’ll have to ask him.

I may, I have contact information.
I have.. er.. had a lot of respect for Fr Josiah. that's now questionable.

lismore · Thursday at 6:28 PM

Chesterton said:
They've already been legislating bits of Christianity in the U.K. and Canada.

Sadly you're right.

FenderTL5 · Thursday at 6:29 PM

zippy2006 said:
Simple: because Fr. Trenham trusts Tucker Carlson and Tucker platforms folk like this. This is the underlying problem in my estimation. Too few understand how far Tucker has shifted, and Tucker takes advantage of this.

I understand.
imho, it doesn't matter how adamant he is in opposition to pornography.. Fr Trenham has inadvertently (hopefully) or deliberately promoted and tacitly endorsed Fuentes' platform a views. There's a considerable portion of that which has no place in pleasant company.

zippy2006 · Thursday at 6:39 PM

FenderTL5 said:
Fr Trenham has inadvertently (hopefully) or deliberately promoted and tacitly endorsed Fuentes' platform a views.

I'm sure it is inadvertent, which is why I wrote that second post. Fr. Trenham does not know who Fuentes is. As soon as he learned from the interview that Fuentes is a fan of Stalin, he published an entire video about the evils of Joseph Stalin. In both videos Fr. Trehnam emphasizes that he doesn't know anything about Fuentes.

Chesterton · Thursday at 6:54 PM

FenderTL5 said:
There's a considerable portion of that which has no place in pleasant company.

You're entitled to your opinion about that.

ArmyMatt · Thursday at 7:04 PM

FenderTL5 said:
I may, I have contact information.
I have.. er.. had a lot of respect for Fr Josiah. that's now questionable.

go for it

Chesterton · Thursday at 7:13 PM

ArmyMatt said:
go for it

Don't you imagine he's being bothered enough about it? And what's Fender going to say? Nick is a bad person?

FenderTL5 · Thursday at 7:19 PM

Chesterton said:
And another thing, speaking of NYC...

If it looks like I agree with or am defending Fuentes, no, I'm in it for free speech. I agree with some things he says, I strongly disagree with others. But if they can cancel people now, they may cancel Christians for being Christian in the future. They've already been legislating bits of Christianity in the U.K. and Canada.

If you don't know, there are two social media guys opposed to Nick. Both have very large followings on Twitch. They are Hasan Piker and a guy who goes by Destiny. Hasan is a Muslim Communist. He was invited and attended Mamdani's victory party two nights ago. To get in required an invitation and a ticket. Hasan has said that the 9/11 attacks were wonderful and deserved. He has blatantly called for his followers to murder middle class Americans in the streets.

Destiny has described the time he himself was going to murder a person who lives near him, because the person disagrees with him online. He described purchasing a gun, plotting it out, but then changed his mind because, in his words, he makes too much money online.

So it's the double-standard and hypocrisy that grinds my gears. Nick makes cookie joke thing, gets his life turned upside down. Hasan and Destiny outright call for and approve of violence against innocent people, and nobody lays a finger on them. They just sit back and keep using their hate to keep raking in the dough.

Maybe Fr Josiah can invite Hasan Piker or Destiny to deliver the homily next Sunday.. you know just for the free speech of it all.

prodromos · Thursday at 7:23 PM

FenderTL5 said:
Maybe Fr Josiah can invite Hasan Piker or Destiny to deliver the homily next Sunday.. you know just for the free speech of it all.

You obviously need prayer.

Chesterton · Thursday at 7:35 PM

FenderTL5 said:
Maybe Fr Josiah can invite Hasan Piker or Destiny to deliver the homily next Sunday.. you know just for the free speech of it all.

No need. In our messed up world, their free speech is acceptable and secure.

gzt · Thursday at 7:48 PM

I think we're kind of wandering far from Orthodox Christianity at this point. If we really wanted to discuss the man further, which I doubt the utility of, the relevant quotes showing he still holds white nationalist, racist, and misogynist opinions aren't exactly the sort of things the rules allow us to quote. I'm sure there are plenty of other young guys who can speak eloquently to the evils of pornographs.

zippy2006 · Thursday at 7:55 PM

FenderTL5 said:
Maybe Fr Josiah can invite Hasan Piker or Destiny to deliver the homily next Sunday.. you know just for the free speech of it all.

I didn't know who Fuentes was before this interview. Fr. Trenham probably didn't either. I'll bet he will revisit the issue in his next reflection.

Chesterton · Thursday at 7:59 PM

gzt said:
If we really wanted to discuss the man further, which I doubt the utility of, the relevant quotes showing he still holds white nationalist, racist, and misogynist opinions aren't exactly the sort of things the rules allow us to quote.

Maybe, but I don't recall anyone quoting him in this thread.

gzt said:
I'm sure there are plenty of other young guys who can speak eloquently to the evils of pornographs.

Maybe, but they have no audience that would listen.

zippy2006 · Thursday at 8:03 PM

Chesterton said:
Well, the topic was pornography...

Thanks for your thorough response. I will try to get back to this. I understand why you posted it here, but unless someone objects I might bring it back to that other thread since it does seem a little tangential to Orthodoxy.

Chesterton · Thursday at 8:09 PM

zippy2006 said:
I understand why you posted it here,...

Yeah cuz I'm thinking everyone's picturing me sitting here wearing jodhpurs and a swastika.

zippy2006 said:
...but unless someone objects I might bring it back to that other thread since it does seem a little tangential to Orthodoxy.

That'd be fine with me.

gzt · Thursday at 8:14 PM

Chesterton said:
Maybe, but I don't recall anyone quoting him in this thread.

Maybe, but they have no audience that would listen.

Yes, for the reasons stated. I would be banned if I quoted some of the things he's said even in the last year.

There are plenty of creators with a larger audience.

Chesterton · Thursday at 8:20 PM

gzt said:
Yes, for the reasons stated. I would be banned if I quoted some of the things he's said even in the last year.

It's very easy to get banned here.

gzt said:
There are plenty of creators with a larger audience.

Like who?

gzt · Thursday at 8:40 PM

You know, I don't believe conservatism has anything to offer the world but death and destruction, so I don't keep tabs on all the follow counts of all these creators.

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