SNAP benefits ( gentally)

Belk said:

Ah yes. Ensuring right action through government intervention. What could go wrong?

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More like preventing bad actions.

Pepperdoodle said:

Yes. Grocery stores could have a couple of registers for those purchases and have in their computer system things marked as acceptable and then red flag things that are basically junk with little to no nutritional value. Sadly, there is more on the shelves than there should be.

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You wouldn't need multiple registers. The EBT card can act like a coupon. After ringing up the total, swipe the card, and everything covered under SNAP would get paid, leaving only the total for the unapproved items. Then they could pay the rest out of pocket.

Oompa Loompa said:

The EBT card can act like a coupon. After ringing up the total, swipe the card, and everything covered under SNAP would get paid, leaving only the total for the unapproved items. Then they could pay the rest out of pocket.

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That's pretty much how a SNAP card already works, so there would be no need to change the current system.

Sportsballfan said:

More like preventing bad actions.

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Which is the same as ensuring right action. Relabeling something does not make it better.

Belk said:

Which is the same as ensuring right action.

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Not quite.

Belk said:

Relabeling something does not make it better.

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It can describe it better.

Sportsballfan said:

Not quite.

It can describe it better.

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JosephZ said:

That's pretty much how a SNAP card already works, so there would be no need to change the current system.

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That is good.

Tropical Wilds said:

The difference is you’re looking at their car, saying yours is worse, and thus they don’t deserve food.

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No its about wasting money. I have a lesser car because im buying my own food and thus need to have a lesser car.

The other party has a nicer car because someone else, including me is subsidizing them.

Its about being responsible with our money. Its unethical to take advantage of your neighbors for your own benefit. We have far too many people in America doing that.

Tropical Wilds said:

You’re thinking your total ignorance on how snap is calculated and the assumptions you’re making about what they spend in other areas of their life somehow represents fact.

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Its about waste a fraud. There is too much waste ( getting assistance that don't need it or shouldn't be getting it) and fraud ( people are cheating the system). Im sure you know that happens.

We dont need a lecture on how it works. There are people who are honest and need it. There are people who dont need it or shouldnt have it and there are people who cheat. We want to stop all that and ensure that only those who need it, get it.

Oompa Loompa said:

They do eat pretty darn well. The U.S. is the only country in the world we're the poor suffers from obesity.

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That is untrue - it is common nowadays for the poor in developed countries to suffer from obesity.

DaisyDay said:

That is untrue - it is common nowadays for the poor in developed countries to suffer from obesity.

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Why?

Oompa Loompa said:

Why?

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Lots of reasons. Availability of cheap packaged food that's high in calories but low in nutrients (meaning that more if it gets converted into fat), lack of access to fresh vegetables, lack of time to cook healthy meals, the human instinct to over-consume in periods of food insecurity, lack of education on how to construct a balanced diet (as well as misinformation on what constitutes "healthy" food), limited access to opportunities for physical activity (especially in urban areas), lack of access to healthcare, and cultural habits developed by multi-generational poverty, just to name a few.

linux.poet said:

How about poor people who help each other? Where is that in your ethical framework?

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Right were its always been. If you want to help someone do it. Help each other. Thats completely ethical no matter who does it. What made you believe I may not think its ethical?

linux.poet said:

I don’t think that is immoral.

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I dont either. Never have. If you chooses to help people I think thats fantastic. Thats shows good moral character.

linux.poet said:

To be honest, this whole discussion leaves me bitter and sad.

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Why? I just don't understand why folks are upset over tye discussions. Are you even listening? I feel you aren't. There is a of that going around on this subject. The minute someone says we there is waste and fraud in a system that incentivizes people to live off their neighbors instead of being a productive member of society people like you starts crying in their soup.

I'm going to explain one more time in this thread and that's it. I hope you understand once I'm done. There are absolutely people out there that need our help. There are the disabled, the elderly, the sick that need our assistance. And there are those that have fallen on a hard time due to no fault of their own that may need some assistance. I'm more than happy to help and pay taxpayer dollars to do so. I know a single mom who made mistakes. And she was living off help feom the taxpayers. You know what she did? She went to school. She wanted a better life for herself and her kids. She went to college and got a degree that actually would support her. Now THAT is something I will support every day, all day.

I've worked with rhe poor for 40 years now and have seen so much waste and fraud its ridiculous. Perfectly healthy normal people who are living off other people's money because they can. I've heard the stories ftom their own lips how they do it. We have subsidized housing filled with people who could be out there working and supporting themselves who aren't. They have plenty of money to buy big screen tvs, cell phones, cable, two cars and yet somehow still need taxpayer dollars.

No not everyone who is poor is like that. But too many are. The governement has purposely increased the amount of people who get the benefits and far too many Americans are willing to take them even when they don't really need it. I've seen a ton of that.

You know what makes me bitter and sad? Watching a disabled man barely surviving, but doing his best. And I think to myself, if we weren't paying out all that money to people who don't really need it and are scamming the system, we could really help this guy.

RocksInMyHead said:

Lots of reasons. Availability of cheap packaged food that's high in calories but low in nutrients (meaning that more if it gets converted into fat), lack of access to fresh vegetables, lack of time to cook healthy meals, the human instinct to over-consume in periods of food insecurity, lack of education on how to construct a balanced diet (as well as misinformation on what constitutes "healthy" food), limited access to opportunities for physical activity (especially in urban areas), lack of access to healthcare, and cultural habits developed by multi-generational poverty, just to name a few.

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Yes - the term (at least here in the US) for such areas is "food desert". In short, it is an area where there is no grocery store / supermarket to get fresh, healthy food. Thus, people end up getting their food from what is close (convenience store, bodega, dollar store, etc). Most of these places sell heavily processed junk food for high prices. The people eat junk that makes them fat, because that is what is available.

As pointed out these are often in poor urban areas, but can occur in poor rural areas as well and are actually more common in rural areas.

Notice the commonality between the areas? Yup.. poor, low income areas.

Although dated (from 2011) the government has maps of them available here.

linux.poet said:

Never mind the fact that I fought my way through college, fighting emotional abuse the whole way, so I could use my writing talents for God’s glory and honor, which is what left me in a terrible job position to begin with. Never mind the fact that I’m starting a job at the Post Office in a couple weeks that will probably put me off of SNAP for good and pay for my theology masters’s degree to finish my journey. Maybe that last line will finally put some pause on the shaming and mockery that has been programmed into people’s heads. I doubt it.

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I think thats great what you've done. Your doing exactly the things I support. You are fighting through the difficulties I steady of wallowing in them. I will be happy to help anyone who has the guts to do that.

linux.poet said:

It was never about being unwilling to work, it’s that work for Kingdom purposes does not always neatly align with what the government wants in their slave labor system.

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I dont know what you are talking about. Slave labor ended a while ago.
I know about poverty and working for the kingdom. I grew up a poor preachers kid. My dad worked as a pastor and also worked on the side because pastor work didn't pay enough. My uncle also was a pastor and worked in small towns and communities. He also worked on a reservation that payed him almost nothing and we beaten up and mugged there. He was a very good man.

I myself was so poor that I had to fish for my dinner.

But I also was able bodied and never gave up. I kept working and finding jobs and finally got one I could actually making a living off of and so did my wife.

Tropical Wilds said:

Again, I think it should be covered. You won't hear me say otherwise. I'm fine with any prepared, warm grocery store-made prepared food being EBT eligible.

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Me too.

RocksInMyHead said:

Lots of reasons. Availability of cheap packaged food that's high in calories but low in nutrients (meaning that more if it gets converted into fat), lack of access to fresh vegetables, lack of time to cook healthy meals, the human instinct to over-consume in periods of food insecurity, lack of education on how to construct a balanced diet (as well as misinformation on what constitutes "healthy" food), limited access to opportunities for physical activity (especially in urban areas), lack of access to healthcare, and cultural habits developed by multi-generational poverty, just to name a few.

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So it is because they eat garbage and dont exercise. Talk about privilege! How great is our country that the poor is eating themselves to death?

dogs4thewin said:

If I can buy a frozen dinner for say $2.50 or I can buy fresh healthy stuff for $5.00 and I only have $120 to spend ( random numbers I know) which would you go for? Plus, the cheap things canned and boxed keep longer than fresh fruits ad vegetables.

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My statement remains unchanged. Blessed are the poor where even they suffer from obesity, not starvation.