SNAP benefits ( gentally)

[JosephZ]

It depends on what that family gets. There are sales and things like in season produce that would be cheaper Now, I do realize that some people have diet restrictions unrelated to being picky. I know someone for example who has celiac not being able to have any gluten at all is FAR from cheap.

How much on average do you spend on food per day for yourself?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

what about the fact that the N in SNAP says otherwise? It was not meant to help people buy junk food.

nutrition​

noun​

nu·tri·tion nu̇-ˈtri-shən nyu̇-

1
: the act or process of nourishing or being nourished
specifically : the sum of the processes by which an animal or plant takes in and utilizes food substances

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Where in there does it specify "but not junk food." Sounds like you think "nutrition" automatically means "healthy" when "nutrition" actually just means to not starve. "Nutrition" is neutral, not healthy or unhealthy. It's just referring to the process of getting calories.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

But...the unimaginable riches!!

Dozens of dollars for everybody!

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Yes, yes, women bad, yadda yadda yadda. You can't fire me, I quit. Heard it before, your insistence at making sure we all remember how you feel about women is duly noted.

What I want to point out, though, is the fun little lore drop you gave us this little... Whatever you call campaign of yours... just bestowed on us.

You pay taxes, 2.5% of your taxes fund Snap, but that dollar is still yours and it's up to you to command how the dollar you no longer have is spent by somebody else.

A woman leaves you, and the suddenly the kids are now are now "their kids." Not "your kids." Not "our kids." "Their kids."

You know what they say... "A daughter is your daughter all of her life, a son is a son until he gets a wife, but every dollar I spend I get to control for life."

Something like that.

What on earth are you talking about?

Man, I got you good today, apparently, lol.

Whatever you got, it sure was neither a point nor a coherent argument. But I give you credit, you sure showed those strawmen who's the boss. But when you actually want to address any of my actual positions, I will be waiting. Congratulations on your victory over whatever it was you were arguing with.

 

[linux.poet]

Or he's just more ethical and doesn't feel its right to live off his neighbors. Unlike far too many poor people who have been incentivized to stay living off their neighbors instead of bettering themselves.

How about poor people who help each other? Where is that in your ethical framework?

Maybe it will help you to understand how me and my friends are going to survive this mess. I’m just going to preserve what little I have left on my EBT from last month to shop at Costco, and use a gift card I got from a church for my Walmart purchases for the month. This will mean that a purchase of a new sewing machine will need to be further postponed. I’m going to make lemon scones this week using some existing flour and other ingredients my parents bought a long time ago that are still around the house. This, even though I am working 6 hour shifts at the grocery store this week. The scones cost $4 to me for a large batch as opposed to buying whole-grain wafer bars at $17 for a pack, because I need to buy the lemons and the half and half to go with our existing reserves of flour and butter, etc.

Then me and my friends will take turns driving the entire group down to the local Catholic charity because we get gas cards for each individual vehicle from them and it is a 20 mile drive. We will get free breakfast and a sack lunch from them, which we will all break up and pass around to deal with various preferences and allergies. We will also look for fruit in their bins out back, which is more lemons for me, and oranges and apples for them.

Even with this, and a service that gives them food at a local church every Thursday and Saturday, there will be days where they don’t get enough food. This will get worse as time goes on. What happens when we run out of cars to drive them down to the Catholics? At least we have a church to feed them Thanksgiving dinner, but yeah. It’s going to be a very lean Christmas.

These are Christians and U.S. Citizens. One of them is even a combat veteran who moves storage units on behalf of people and does hours of landscaping on behalf of elderly folk for less than minimum wage. I helped him do just that for a long time. How much suffering does one want? Another of my friends is on a walker and we had to help her find medical care for her leg. We’re all just living off our neighbors. Never mind the the fact that elderly walker lady is helping Combat Vet Guy get a job, and never mind the fact that all the work I did with Combat Vet Guy helped me get my current job at the grocery store. I don’t think that is immoral.

To be honest, this whole discussion leaves me bitter and sad. Never mind the fact that I fought my way through college, fighting emotional abuse the whole way, so I could use my writing talents for God’s glory and honor, which is what left me in a terrible job position to begin with. Never mind the fact that I’m starting a job at the Post Office in a couple weeks that will probably put me off of SNAP for good and pay for my theology masters’s degree to finish my journey. Maybe that last line will finally put some pause on the shaming and mockery that has been programmed into people’s heads. I doubt it.

It was never about being unwilling to work, it’s that work for Kingdom purposes does not always neatly align with what the government wants in their slave labor system. Judging people by that system is the error that needs corrected. And besides that, I was suffering from mental illness down to the point where I wasn’t functional from like 2012-2022 anyway. I did what little I could, 3 college classes a semester while being yelled at when my dad came home from work and sometimes even in the middle of the night when I was doing homework. I didn’t want to give up on college. I have my bachelors degree now because I didn’t give up. But yeah, not a good enough slave for everyone else’s approval.

Another reason it’s disallowed as it’s meant to feed yourself repeatedly, not friends who aren’t on Snap.

Given that all my friends are on SNAP/RMP and we paid cash for the chicken, no crimes were committed. I’m fully aware that I’m not allowed to buy food for other people using my SNAP card who aren’t in my household, it’s a federal crime and you get your benefits cut off.

Technically one can argue that’s another injustice because if I have a safe place to prepare food and economization strategies(true), I can stretch my food benefit a lot further than my friends can, so if I have $80 left on my EBT card and my friends have $0, I should be able to just take said friends to the store and buy them food.

Never mind the fact that if SNAP/RMP covered the chicken, they would just buy it themselves for their own eating: the policy of excluding it from SNAP is what is causing the communal eating creativity since we have to pool cash among ourselves to afford it.

They’re not paid enough to count olives so they don’t care if you take them despite not being a customer.

I bought the olives and vitamin water using my SNAP benefits. They are in normal stacks on the sales floor.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I wasn't being unclear.

You were clearly arguing with someone, but it sure wasn't me.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Given that all my friends are on SNAP/RMP and we paid cash for the chicken, no crimes were committed. I’m fully aware that I’m not allowed to buy food for other people using my SNAP card who aren’t in my household, it’s a federal crime and you get your benefits cut off.

I know you paid cash, you explained the chicken wasn't covered. I'm not saying I agree with the thought process that denies you the chicken, just explaining what it is. Zero part of my mind, body, and soul feels it's my business to tell people how to eat. As long somebody isn't being exploited into using their benefits to feed somebody else, I couldn't care less how one spends the money. I cannot overstate how little interest I have in micromanaging people's eating habits.

Technically one can argue that’s another injustice because if I have a safe place to prepare food and economization strategies(true), I can stretch my food benefit a lot further than my friends can, so if I have $80 left on my EBT card and my friends have $0, I should be able to just take said friends to the store and buy them food.

That gets a little dicier for me because I want to make sure people aren't being exploited or manipulated into spending their money to their own detriment via things like elder abuse or neglect. Groups that are marginalized tend to be preyed upon and if it became easy to trade those benefits, the same people who believe the tax man is coming so buy a gift card, call them back with the number, and you'll avoid jail would find themselves stuck. Without food and potentially ejected from the system for "allowing" a fraud to occur. That I'm not into.

Never mind the fact that if SNAP/RMP covered the chicken, they would just buy it themselves for their own eating: the policy of excluding it from SNAP is what is causing the communal eating creativity since we have to pool cash among ourselves to afford it.

Again, I think it should be covered. You won't hear me say otherwise. I'm fine with any prepared, warm grocery store-made prepared food being EBT eligible.

I bought the olives and vitamin water using my SNAP benefits. They are in normal stacks on the sales floor.

Gotcha. I thought you meant you were given it by employees or they were available for free on condiment bars. I used to run a loop, snagging unattended free condiments from condiment bars order to save some money. The golden years was when KFC left butter packets out, Dunkin left mini-creamers out, Taco Bell left salsa packets out, and Wendy's left sour cream packets, shredded cheese, and occasionally "bacon" (for baked potatoes) out on their condiment bars by the door. You could walk in, load up, and call it a day. Del Taco used to have lettuce and tomato out to dress the tacos and nachos. McDonalds was always a bust because their condiments were in pump jars.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I agree, it wasn't really an argument. That's what I've been saying.

Have you be saying it? Where?

 

[Sportsballfan]

I fail to see that as a sufficient reason to further control peoples choices.

It doesn’t matter because those choices are going to be restricted which will be good for them.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Have you be saying it? Where?

Read the thread, hon.

 

[Pommer]

Let’s make SNAP mandatory for rich people and allow them to willingly feed their poor neighbors (on the other side of town)?

 

[Pepperdoodle]

with the whole mess with SNAP benefits should there be anything food wise that cannot be purchased? How strict should it be?

I feel that no soft drinks nor pure junk food cookies, snack cakes ECT should be able to be purchased I do not believe, as I have seen at least one person say that everything boxed and certainly not everything canned should be off limits which if we really wanted to get super strict about junk food they would be.

Yes. Grocery stores could have a couple of registers for those purchases and have in their computer system things marked as acceptable and then red flag things that are basically junk with little to no nutritional value. Sadly there is more on the shelves than there should be.

 

[Belk]

It doesn’t matter because those choices are going to be restricted which will be good for them.

Ah yes. Ensuring right action through government intervention. What could go wrong?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Honestly, I've seen funner facts.

You're talking about a person with an abnormal condition. The vast majority of people are happy to eat food.

She was talking about a supposed person with a supposed abnormal condition. I am only bringing that up because I am told that if it cannot be proven or disproven, it cannot be argued and is therefore not worth discussing.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Read the thread, hon.

I have read everything you posted. Have you read it?

 

[Chesterton]

She was talking about a supposed person with a supposed abnormal condition. I am only bringing that up because I am told that if it cannot be proven or disproven, it cannot be argued and is therefore not worth discussing.

I know, but sometimes I like to play along if I'm bored or something. In this case, that scenario only made it worse.

 

[Desk trauma]

Yes. Grocery stores could have a couple of registers for those purchases and have in their computer system things marked as acceptable and then red flag things that are basically junk with little to no nutritional value. Sadly there is more on the shelves than there should be.

They need sirens and strobe lights that go off to announce every time an ebt card is swiped.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

They need sirens and strobe lights that go off to announce every time an ebt card is swiped.

Or we can just get rid of EBT altogether and bring back the bread lines. That way you know they are only eating approved food.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

They need sirens and strobe lights that go off to announce every time an ebt card is swiped.

Why?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes. Grocery stores could have a couple of registers for those purchases and have in their computer system things marked as acceptable and then red flag things that are basically junk with little to no nutritional value. Sadly there is more on the shelves than there should be.

Why would any grocery store go through that trouble? Grocers aren't in the business of making sure people eat healthy. They are in the business of selling food items. They don't care what money you have or where it came from as long as it's legal tender.