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Strong in Him · 2025-11-05T04:31:39-0600

keras said:
Actually the fact is that most people simply don't have any beliefs about the Prophesies. All is just ignored

Nonsense.
I am sure there are many clergy, theologians, Bible teachers, commentators and other Christians who read, know and enjoy the OT prophets.

keras said:
But what I see here, is vehement rejection of a viable interpretation of Zechariah 5. without a sensible or feasible alternative explanation.

Yours is not a "viable interpretation" of Zechariah 5.
As for a feasible alternative explanation; I quoted the verses in question and gave you an explanation. You did not even acknowledge it but quoted only bits of my post.

keras said:
You say the lead cover has no significance. Then why is it mentioned?

That is what Zechariah saw; a basket with a lid on it. The angel lifted the cover to look inside and there was a woman sitting inside.
You are assuming that "lead covering" means that the whole of the basket was enclosed in lead. You have identified, or decided, that this basket was tube shaped and your 21st century mind has made a connection between a lead covered, tube shaped receptacle, and a nuclear bomb.
As I said, it's reading into the text.

keras said:
You say the object that looks like a 'scroll' is not the same as the 'basket', or 'barrel'?

They are 2 different words. I would imagine that in the Hebrew - i.e original language - they are 2 different words too.

keras said:
But both are round flying objects

A scroll isn't round.
And you previously objected that a scroll doesn't fly; now you are saying that it is a flying object. A basket doesn't, normally, fly either.

keras said:
and what Zec saw in verses 6-11, would have been the placement of the nuke device into the missile.

Your interpretation. The text says nothing of the sort.
Why did 2 angels carry this basket to Babylon to set it into a house that was being built for it?

The ancient city of Babylon is in modern day Iraq.

keras said:
This interpretation of Zechariah 5:1-11, is proof that God knows the preparations and the outcome of Iran's satanic hatred of Israel

Your interpretation of Zechariah 5:1-11 says that, yes.
Not many/no one else agrees.

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-05T05:19:31-0600

keras said:
Jesus tells us, in Revelation 20, - the fate of all the ungodly spirits and peoples.
Why do you make it into a Hollywood spectacle?

Why do you take spiritual sights and turn them into ballistic missles, killing people?

keras · 2025-11-05T13:29:39-0600

Strong in Him said:
Not many/no one else agrees.

You all will after it happens,

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Why do you take spiritual sights and turn them into ballistic missles, killing people?

Why do people Spiritualise scriptures which can literally happen? Where do you stop with doing that?

Advance Elam, make your move Media! Isaiah 21:2b
In this verse, it seems that God is actually encouraging Iran to attack Israel. It’s like Clint Eastwood saying; C’mon, make my day!

Do not doubt, Iran will attempt to carry out its threats to annihilate Israel. They will do this for several reasons:
1/ The Islamic leadership of Iran is in trouble, the Iranian people no longer support their incompetent and repressive rule.

2/ The Mullah’s believe it is their destiny to bring about the advent of the 12th Imam, the Islamic Mahadi.

3/ The economy is in a shambles, partly due to the sanctions imposed because of their nuclear program and to mismanagement and corruption.

4/ A scapegoat is needed to divert the attention of the people and note the rhetoric of Ayatollah Khomeini; ‘We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land burn, let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant’. Quote 1980
And Ahmadinejad said: ‘Israel will cease to exist, we will remove the cancer from our midst’. This remains the case now and Iran just waits for the opportune moment to commence their attack on Israel. That moment will be God’s Appointed Day, Habakkuk 2:3, Revelation 6:12-17

5/ But Bible prophesy is the best indication we have that very soon Iran and all the Islamic peoples: Psalms 83:6-8, will commence their attack on Israel.
Isaiah 21:2b...Advance Elam, up Media: To the siege! Do not hesitate!
Isaiah 22:6 Elam took up the quiver, the war chariots of Aram are readied and Kir has uncovered the shield.
Isaiah 22:8a The heart of Judah’s defences are laid open.

Jeremiah 49:35-39 I shall break the bow of Elam, the chief weapon of their might. I shall bring the four winds against them and will scatter them. I will terrify Elam before their foes and bring evil upon them, in My fierce anger, I will consume them with My sword until I have made an end to them. Then I shall set My throne in Elam and destroy their rulers and officers. Yet, in days to come I will restore the fortunes of Elam.

Ezekiel 7:14 The war trumpet has sounded and all are ready, but no war happens, as their actions have instigated the wrath of the Lord.
Ref: REB, verses abridged.

Elam and Media: now Iran. Aram: now Syria. Kir: probably Iraq or Turkey.

Judah’s defences laid open – This may refer to Isaiah 21:2a, how a traitor will betray Israel and possibly the loss of their good leadership, as per Isaiah 3:1-7, Micah 5:1

I shall break the bow of Elam, their chief weapon. - Their nuke weapons explode on the launch pad. Psalms 7:12-16, Hosea 2:18, Jeremiah 49:35

The Lord’s anger will consume them. – As described in Psalms 83:13-17... the Lord’s enemies will be scattered like chaff, with blazing flames and tempests of storm winds, they will suffer disgrace and perish. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5
The strongholds of Islam will be destroyed, it and the other false religions will be no more. Isaiah 66:15-17, Hebrews 10:27

The wrath of the Lord – This will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a comprehensively prophesied judgement by fire, described to us as an explosion on the suns surface, a Coronal Mass Ejection . It will literally fulfil the Sixth Seal and the 100+ prophesies about that Day; resulting in the fulfilment of the punishment of all the nations. Habakkuk 3:12, Psalms 2:8-9, 2 Peter 3:7

Strong in Him · 2025-11-05T13:59:52-0600

keras said:
You all will after it happens,

After what happens? The scroll/basket nuclear missile which was taken into Babylon is a nuclear weapon that will be used by Iran and used to blow everyone else to smithereens?

Right.

Ed Parenteau · 2025-11-05T18:20:26-0600

keras said:
Humans going to live in heaven, has never been Gods plan. We were made to inhabit the earth and God has angels in heaven. Isaiah 45:18
What earthly use are we in heaven?

John 14:1-4, is a Prophecy about the new earth, the Eternal state that comes after the final Judgement. Revelation 21:1-7

When have the dead ever inhabited the earth? Where does it say the dead will again inhabit the earth. Where does it say Christ will again become a man.
You didn't answer where Christ went to prepare a place for the believer.

keras · 2025-11-05T20:05:52-0600

Strong in Him said:
Right.

Is Iran - still under the leadership of the Israel hating Islamic Shi-ites; not going to retaliate for all what has happened to their military and nuclear facilities?
RIGHT

Jeremiah 49:35 says the Lord will destroy the main weapon of Elam's might.
It is a known fact that Iran is pursuing nuke weapons. They have the technology and the materials.
Just a matter of time now; Gods timing that is!

Ed Parenteau said:
When have the dead ever inhabited the earth?

Spiritual people will inhabit the new earth forever. Revelation 21 to 22: 1-5

Ed Parenteau said:
You didn't answer where Christ went to prepare a place for the believer.

Jesus is in heaven now and the place for all the righteous peoples; those whose names are found in the Book of Life, is in the new Jerusalem, that will come down from heaven - AFTER the Judgment; Rev 20:11-15

It is sheer pretentious nonsense to think any human can go to heaven to live, before all of what is Prophesied takes place.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-06T01:45:29-0600

keras said:
Is Iran - still under the leadership of the Israel hating Islamic Shi-ites; not going to retaliate for all what has happened to their military and nuclear facilities?

Whether they do or not, it does not explain, or validate, your mangling of Zechariah 5.

keras said:
Jeremiah 49:35 says the Lord will destroy the main weapon of Elam's might.
It is a known fact that Iran is pursuing nuke weapons. They have the technology and the materials.

And you have taken it upon yourself to apply this prophecy to the 21st century world.

keras said:
Just a matter of time now; Gods timing that is!

Which is quite a handy get out clause if none of the things you have "prophesied" happen.

keras said:
It is sheer pretentious nonsense to think any human can go to heaven to live, before all of what is Prophesied takes place.

Believe what you like, it doesn't mean you are correct.

keras · 2025-11-06T03:39:20-0600

Strong in Him said:
Whether they do or not, it does not explain, or validate, your mangling of Zechariah 5.

There is no historical happening to fulfil Zech 5. Therefore it is as yet, in the future.
It is feasible and does fit with other prophesies, to be fulfilled as I have shown.

What i find disconcerting, is how those who reject the scenario as I have proposed, feel it necessary to denigrate me and make nasty comments.
There may be consequences for such actions against a fellow Christian. James 4:11-12

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-06T04:07:00-0600

keras said:
Why do people Spiritualise scriptures which can literally happen? Where do you stop with doing that?

The Word is living and active.

Do we see that physically? Not directly. We see the results but not the Word living and active.

We have very real adverse spirit adversaries. Do we see them physically? Not directly. We see the results but not the adverse spirits.

The most basic lesson on these subjects is this: People are NOT God's enemies.

You lost sight of that.

You look at people and countries and bombs and think that's what the scriptures are about.

Scriptures engage unseen things. Agencies if you will:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Not flesh and blood. Not missles.

Revelation is in fact a very HOPEFUL writing. It's a time when the tables are turned on the DEVILS.

It is THEY who will have GREAT TRIBULATION

It is also THEY who piloted your sights into a train wreck

Strong in Him · 2025-11-06T09:55:36-0600

keras said:
There is no historical happening to fulfil Zech 5. Therefore it is as yet, in the future.

That's your interpretation.
But in the future for who; Israel? Who says it is referring to the future of other countries?

keras said:
It is feasible and does fit with other prophesies, to be fulfilled as I have shown.

Feasible?
A flying scroll with a message on both sides is the same as a measuring container with a lid made of lead? That's feasible? I suppose you can provide proof that the words for "scroll" and "basket/measuring container" are the same in Hebrew?
The angel lifted the cover of the basket and there was a woman inside.You seem to be assuming that "cover" means that the basket was completely encased in lead. Is it feasible to jump to that conclusion?
The basket, not the scroll, was carried off to Babylon where a house was being built for it. You have taken all that to mean that a lead covered container, which is a nuclear bomb (because nothing else at all can be encased in lead), will be used by Iran in the future - even though modern day Babylon is in Iraq.

None of what you say is feasible or can be learnt from the text of Zechariah 5. No one you can't find anyone who agrees with your interpretations.

keras said:
What i find disconcerting, is how those who reject the scenario as I have proposed, feel it necessary to denigrate me and make nasty comments.

Well I hope I wasn't making nasty comments and I'm sorry if that's how my words came across.
But I do reject your scenario, and feel strongly about people who teach "the Bible says ......", when it doesn't.

keras said:
There may be consequences for such actions against a fellow Christian. James 4:11-12

There may be consequences for people who misinterpret the word, teach their erroneous interpretations, and then say that other Christians who disagree with them, are wrong.

keras · 2025-11-06T12:38:44-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
You look at people and countries and bombs and think that's what the scriptures are about.

The Bible is all about our choice between good and evil. Which has Eternal consequences.
There is plenty of Prophecy about wars and disasters. Zech 5 is just one of them.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Revelation is in fact a very HOPEFUL writing. It's a time when the tables are turned on the DEVILS.

Actually, Satan is quite successful - for a while; Revelation 13

keras · 2025-11-06T13:40:09-0600

Strong in Him said:
That's your interpretation.

Yes.
But as you don't have a sensible interpretation of Zech 5, your response is only to reject mine.

Strong in Him said:
But in the future for who; Israel? Who says it is referring to the future of other countries?

Actually, the true Israelites of God are not involved in Zech 5. It is all about the Middle East peoples, including the Jewish State of Israel, mainly in the Mesopotamia region- in South Western Iran. Where Iran is busily preparing it right now.
It is a curse which goes out over the whole land..... Zechariah 5:3

Strong in Him said:
I suppose you can provide proof that the words for "scroll" and "basket/measuring container" are the same in Hebrew?

They are not, because the 'scroll' is the main object and the 'basket' is inside, or part of the object.
The 'basket/barrel' is a symbol of the peoples guilt throughout the land. Zech 5:6b

Strong in Him said:
carried off to Babylon where a house was being built for it

Where do you get Babylon from? It isn't mentioned in the REB or the KJV.
I see 'Babylonia' in the NIV. The area, or more correctly; the type, not the city.

Strong in Him said:
None of what you say is feasible or can be learnt from the text of Zechariah 5. No one you can't find anyone who agrees with your interpretations.

This makes you look silly. Missiles are feasible, they exist now. Iran has the capability and the desire to make them and to arm them with nukes.
Even if no one agrees, at least I have given many people serious food for thought. As against the knee jerk rejection of some here.

Strong in Him said:
There may be consequences for people who misinterpret the word, teach their erroneous interpretations, and then say that other Christians who disagree with them, are wrong.

Paul sets it out in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
If we build our beliefs on solid scripture or on shifting opinions, our Salvation is secure by our firm belief in Jesus. John 3:16
But those who taught rightly will be rewarded and those who taught fables, will only just escape Eternal Death.

One will have the Lords favour, the other will be the night soil collector.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-06T14:22:41-0600

keras said:
Yes.
But as you don't have a sensible interpretation of Zech 5, your response is only to reject mine.

I said before; the scroll suggests a message - and the scroll in Zechariah 5 did have a message on each side. The angel said that it was a curse that was going out throughout the land according to what was written on each side. On one side of the scroll the message was against thieves, on the other it condemned those who spoke falsely.
The scroll was flying, I suggested, because the message was urgent; thieves and those who spoke falsely would be destroyed.

The basket/measuring container is something different.
I would imagine the Hebrew has different words for the scroll and basket. You have not been able to refute this or, indeed, to confirm if it was so.
It is the basket that has a lead cover - it is not completely encased in lead. The angel lifted the cover to look inside, saw a woman sitting there, said "this is wickedness" and closed the cover again. What is wickedness? The woman, or the fact of a person being hidden inside a basket?

I am not going to interpret these prophecies. I can look in commentaries to see what the commentators thought and then try and learn from the message. But I have no authority to say, "this is an unfulfilled prophecy which relates to events in the 21st century" - and neither do you.

keras said:
They are not, because the 'scroll' is the main object and the 'basket' is inside, or part of the object.

The basket is inside the scroll?
That's not what the text says. The scroll was flying, the basket "appeared" later, Zechariah 5:5

keras said:
Where do you get Babylon from? It isn't mentioned in the REB or the KJV.
I see 'Babylonia' in the NIV. The area, or more correctly; the type, not the city.

Ok so it's an area called Babylonia. That still doesn't mean that the "bomb" was taken to Iran.
Why would two women "with the wind in their wings" carry a bomb to another country and build a house for it? A house suggests permanence and safety. A bomb is the opposite of both; it destroys houses and makes people feel unsafe.

keras said:
This makes you look silly. Missiles are feasible,

I never said they weren't.
It's your interpretation that a basket with a lead cover is a nuclear bomb that's not feasible.

keras said:
Even if no one agrees, at least I have given many people serious food for thought.

Or made them feel sick at your mishandling of Scripture

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