TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

eclipsenow · Aug 24, 2025

ozso said:
Despite all of complaints against it eh? This us awful, this is wrong, hey lets do it.

Trump is awful, Trump is wrong - so now imitate Trump to DOMINATE X with the irony of it all! I'm belly laughing at Gavin Newsom's Tweets on a daily basis - as he gets it. The world has listened to Trump's bizarre ranting for far too long! Now that Gavin is taking him on - MAGA don't know what to do with themselves.

So BECAUSE the electoral division steal in Texas is SO WRONG - Gavin has to do it!
He has to fight fire with fire.
To save democracy.

I don't think you're really aware how scared the rest of the world is of not just Trump, but what his Project 2025 handlers are orchestrating in your country.

While you might feel good about it for now - just imagine after the next election (IF THERE IS ONE!) that Gavin gets in charge. And then HE keeps nerfing the powers of Congress, HE fires everyone in the DOJ who is not a fan of Captain-Gav, HE fires half the generals in the Pentagon that have not sworn allegiance to HIM, HE KEEPS all the powers Trump has taken on himself like the tariffs etc, and HE encourages Democrats in every state to start redrawing the maps!

When it's your guy in - everything's sweet as the Constitution gets nerfed and Presidential Power Creep continues!

Just do the mental exercise. What if Gavin or Kamala had those powers? How happy would you be then?

eclipsenow · Aug 24, 2025

Ozzo - the email showed me your post "Maybe it's time to take a break from American Politics?" It seems to have been deleted. But I'll answer by pointing out this is my planet as well. See - one nuclear war triggered by Trump's NPD really could ruin my whole day.

That's why I'm invested.

That's why I would ask MAGA's to reconsider cheering every time Trump gobbles up even more power for the Presidency.

Again - just ask yourself this question every time he continues to stretch your balance of powers out of shape.

Would I want Kamala or Gavin to have these powers?

essentialsaltes · Aug 27, 2025

Will your congressional district shift left or right in Newsom’s proposed map?

Democrats to gain five seats despite two-thirds of proposed California congressional districts shifting red, Times analysis of redrawn map shows [based on 2024 presidential vote data]
Four formerly Republican-leaning swing districts would tilt slightly Democratic, while two others would shift more heavily toward the left.

Like in Texas, one outcome of this is to make a number of races more competitive -- closer to the 0 line where it's a toss-up. Sure, there's a net imbalance because there's more blue than red to spread around. So Darrell Issa is moving from pretty safe red to lean blue, and on the other side, some of the largest moves at the bottom are from very safe blue to comfortably[?] blue. And sure there's some effort on the bottom of the first graph to shore up some of the most vulnerable lean blue districts.

[There's a similar number of districts with not much change. Including mine which is shifting from an 80/20 margin of victory to 79.5/20.5]

essentialsaltes · Aug 27, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
I just got my first bit of "vote no" campaign literature in the mail today. That was fast.

Got two more yesterday. All three are pictured here:

The one in the middle has been bankrolled by bajillionaire GOP donor Charles Munger Jr, who has signed Ahnold on to be the face of the campaign.

The two others are from Right Path California, another Republican led group that has enlisted Kevin McCarthy's aid.

The Barbarian · Aug 27, 2025

It gets better...
Unintended Consequences

Republican State Senator Phil King acknowledged the map's potential for increased competitiveness during its introduction. He stated that the map "is more competitive, but there are no guarantees that it'll elect more Republicans".
Packing and cracking strategy: The map uses "packing" and "cracking" of Democratic voters to secure five new Republican seats. This concentrates Democratic voters into existing districts and redistributes remaining Democrats into surrounding Republican districts.
- The downside is that it removes Republican votes from surrounding districts, potentially leaving incumbents vulnerable in a strong Democratic year.
Political gambles: Republicans are gambling that Texas voters will continue to shift right, as seen in the 2024 presidential election. However, the map relies on 2024 data and doesn't account for potential shifts in voter behavior during the 2026 midterms, when Democrats may be more energized.
Vulnerability in key districts: Democratic leaders, including House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, have warned that the redistricting map could make several incumbent Republicans vulnerable in the 2026 general election. Democratic analysts have noted that in past midterm years (like 2018 and 2022), some of the new districts would have been far more competitive

I wonder if Newsome was this careless. I'm thinking not.

essentialsaltes · Aug 30, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
I just got my first bit of "vote no" campaign literature in the mail today. That was fast.

And now, the television spots.

Millions of dollars in special-election redistricting TV ads scheduled to start airing Tuesday

The opposition to the rare California mid-decade redistricting has booked more than $10 million of airtime for ads between Tuesday and Sept. 23 in media markets across the state, according to media buyers who are not affiliated with either campaign. Supporters of the effort have bought at least $2 million in ads starting on Tuesday, a number expected to grow exponentially as they are aggressively trying to secure time in coming weeks on broadcast and cable television.

“This early start is a bit stealthy on the part of the no side, but has been used as a ploy in past campaigns to try to show strength early and gain advantage by forcing the opposing side to play catch up,” said Sheri Sadler, a veteran Democratic political media operative who is not working for either campaign. “This promises to be an expensive campaign for a special election, especially starting so early.”

essentialsaltes · Wednesday at 8:37 AM

The people of California vote for Prop 50 (64/36) to temporarily redistrict the state into NEW, MORE BEAUTIFUL MAPS to counter Texas

Even in some areas that are typically more conservative, the proposition passed as shown in this terribly colored map.

San Bernardino 57/43 [Trump +2 in 2024]
Riverside 56/44 [Trump +1]
Imperial 60/40 [Trump +1]
Fresno 50/50 [Yes wins by ~150 votes] [Trump +4]

For the state as a whole, Prop 50's victory margin was 8 points better than Kamala Harris.

This was part of a general movement toward team blue last night
AP: Zohran Mamdani, 34, elected New York City mayor after stunning rise
AP: Democrat Mikie Sherrill elected governor of New Jersey
AP: Democrat Abigail Spanberger elected governor in Virginia

Say it aint so · Wednesday at 11:33 AM

Frankly all this gerrymandering is horrible and should not be.
There should be commissions in every state.
We can thank this conservative SCOTUS for this hot mess.

Fantine · Wednesday at 11:53 AM

As someone who lives in a state where not a single state official or federal official is "my" representative, representing "my" interests (i.e. the common good), I appreciate that there are representatives in California and many coastal states who are abundant and who are working for me.
They will never read a letter I send them or accept a phone call, but they are working not only for Californians but all of the voiceless in the Bible Belt (who don't quite get things about the Bible like "love your neighbor as yourself.")
Texas started this and I fully support states who are fighting back.

essentialsaltes · Wednesday at 1:25 PM

A less terribly colored map (but only shows Yes/No)

and for reference, the new maps and how they are expected to stack up.

durangodawood · Wednesday at 1:57 PM

Partisan gerrymandering needs to be illegal for everyone.

But thanks to a Republican supreme court, here we are.

essentialsaltes · Wednesday at 3:47 PM

Bannon: ‘Warning signs are flashing’ for GOP ahead of midterms

“One of the biggest warning signs that we … need to get focused, is the two commissioners in Georgia that [Georgia GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene] mentioned,” Bannon said on the podcast.

Democratic candidates Alicia Johnson and Peter Hubbard, who ran for Georgia Public Service commissioner in Districts 2 and 3, respectively, defeated GOP incumbents Tim Echols and Fitz Johnson.

Johnson and Hubbard became the first Democrats to win a Public Service Commission race since 2000, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Perhaps the GOP can change some of its unpopular positions into more popular ones? Nah. Lawfare.

Bannon said Trump should sue California over voters’ approval of Proposition 50, which redraws the state’s congressional maps, and have federal agencies investigate Mamdani’s citizenship.

Bradskii · Wednesday at 4:19 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Bannon said Trump should sue California over voters’ approval of Proposition 50, which redraws the state’s congressional maps, and have federal agencies investigate Mamdani’s citizenship.

There's a gradual realisation of how stupid Bannon actually is.

Fantine · Wednesday at 5:20 PM

Wow, California tops conservatism again!

Just like when Governor Newsom bragged that his MRI was even more perfect than Trump's--so perfect that the doctors marveled because his "little grey cells" were solid gold.

JSRG · Wednesday at 7:23 PM

Say it aint so said:
Frankly all this gerrymandering is horrible and should not be.
There should be commissions in every state.
We can thank this conservative SCOTUS for this hot mess.

durangodawood said:
Partisan gerrymandering needs to be illegal for everyone.

But thanks to a Republican supreme court, here we are.

The Supreme Court ruled that partisan gerrymandering isn't unconstitutional. And I think they were right to do so. Much as I dislike partisan gerrymandering, I don't think it's unconstitutional. And they certainly didn't disallow any commissions from being made.

If anyone's to blame here, it's Congress. Congress has had, since the day the Constitution was ratified, the ability to fix the issue:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

In other words, states decide how to hold their House/Senate elections, but congress can change it whenever it wants, with the obvious exception they have to stick with state borders when it comes to Senators. Congress could require every state to set up commissions to set borders, or any other number of things (proportional representation?) that would solve the issue. This has been a known issue since 1812 when the term gerrymander was first created. Congress has had more than 200 years to do something about this. The blame goes there. (though I suppose if congress did step in, they might just make the problem worse by whatever party is in power gerrymandering every state in their favor)

probinson · Wednesday at 7:28 PM

JSRG said:
If anyone's to blame here, it's Congress. Congress has had, since the day the Constitution was ratified, the ability to fix the issue:

If current events have shown us anything, it's that there are precious few people ANYWHERE that want to "fix" this issue. As much as people complain about "fair" elections, it's pretty obvious that most people don't really want that. They want whatever favors them.

Say it aint so · Thursday at 12:25 AM

JSRG said:
The Supreme Court ruled that partisan gerrymandering isn't unconstitutional. And I think they were right to do so. Much as I dislike partisan gerrymandering, I don't think it's unconstitutional. And they certainly didn't disallow any commissions from being made.

If anyone's to blame here, it's Congress. Congress has had, since the day the Constitution was ratified, the ability to fix the issue:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

In other words, states decide how to hold their House/Senate elections, but congress can change it whenever it wants, with the obvious exception they have to stick with state borders when it comes to Senators. Congress could require every state to set up commissions to set borders, or any other number of things (proportional representation?) that would solve the issue. This has been a known issue since 1812 when the term gerrymander was first created. Congress has had more than 200 years to do something about this. The blame goes there. (though I suppose if congress did step in, they might just make the problem worse by whatever party is in power gerrymandering every state in their favor)

probinson said:
If current events have shown us anything, it's that there are precious few people ANYWHERE that want to "fix" this issue. As much as people complain about "fair" elections, it's pretty obvious that most people don't really want that. They want whatever favors them.

U.S. Senate Democrats Introduce Sweeping National Redistricting Bill

They tried. It's just when one political ideology sees the advantage in gerrymandering no different than pre voting rights, they will have no interest in the "fix".

probinson · Thursday at 8:33 AM

Say it aint so said:
They tried.

Please don't try to tell me that people don't want partisan gerrymandering when just days ago that's exactly what they voted for.

essentialsaltes · Thursday at 8:49 AM

probinson said:
Please don't try to tell me that people don't want partisan gerrymandering when just days ago that's exactly what they voted for.

We want the rules to be uniform. Otherwise, being virtuous gets you the reward of getting stomped by the vicious. Trump asked Texas for some additional viciousness, and he has reaped more.

durangodawood · Thursday at 9:01 AM

JSRG said:
The Supreme Court ruled that partisan gerrymandering isn't unconstitutional. And I think they were right to do so. Much as I dislike partisan gerrymandering, I don't think it's unconstitutional. And they certainly didn't disallow any commissions from being made.

If anyone's to blame here, it's Congress. Congress has had, since the day the Constitution was ratified, the ability to fix the issue:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

In other words, states decide how to hold their House/Senate elections, but congress can change it whenever it wants, with the obvious exception they have to stick with state borders when it comes to Senators. Congress could require every state to set up commissions to set borders, or any other number of things (proportional representation?) that would solve the issue. This has been a known issue since 1812 when the term gerrymander was first created. Congress has had more than 200 years to do something about this. The blame goes there. (though I suppose if congress did step in, they might just make the problem worse by whatever party is in power gerrymandering every state in their favor)

Not sure I agree.

The manner of holding elections is not the same as what we're voting for. The "manner of holding elections" is Tuesday or Weds. Or all week. Mail or in person.

In terms of what we're voting for, its pretty clear that in principle we're supposed to be voting for representatives. Gerrymandering degrades the concept of representation pretty severely.

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