Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

Hi everyone, with some of your expertise here, I was wondering your thoughts on this Acts 15.
Everything was done with the Gospels when the Lord was active in ministry. Revealtions is a vision of the Lord also.

Somebody wrote this to me. I looked at Acts 15 and it was about not eating foods to idols etc.....then it mentioned about circumsion. No mention of the word the Sabbath was used. I know under Mosaic law they used to do the Sabbath on Saturday and most Christians moved this to Sunday.

Lets look at what they said-
Acts 15 sets out the requirements placed by the Council of Jerusalem on Gentile believers.
Sabbath observance was not required.

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My minister told me this about Act 15-"
Acts 15 this part is what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspective.
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It is clear to me there is no mention about loving God in this that we need this as Christians. Some say online that this is for new believers some describe them as Gentile Christians. I think this important as well as some people clearly use this to say Sabbath keeping is not required. It some ways it remind me of all things are permissable but clearer the idols fornication etc is not but it hints there by not mentioning that the rest is permissable but not expident to be like this for spiritual development it seems base line.

Why is there is no mention of love of God in this or respect for others Jesus 2nd greatest Commandment and the Sabbath. I know it is promoted but this is this about to you? Lets resolve it.

Edited to add-
I looked at this again using the Gosepl Coliation website who seem approved to write on the faith and got this, what do some of you think at first thoughts-

For Christians the message of Acts 15 becomes clear about effectively our bottom line as Christians through the works of Christ alone, what Act 15 points out is that salvation is by faith through grace alone are the most important things we should rest on as Christians-but the church remains promoted and spiritually enriching but if you are not able to attend it does not rest on your salavation. which rests on Christ alone. Acts 15 is stopping people falling into legalism and trying to bring in other rules, plus stopping dissension amongst different believers.

I found these as well.

There is a physical church, whether it is online in a house church or in person in a building and there is a community of believers who are actually members of the church and members of the Body of Christ and both of these are important.

Some people to misunderstand this scripture (Matthew 18:20)-" Where two of us are gathered together...I will be in the midst of them."This scripture is about reconcilation within church members.

I read this to and tentative on it as I think some people may start looking to see if all church's have candles or not and be asking and worrying. Some countries lesser developed may struggle to find candles and import and struggle with the costs...they said this-

In Revelation 1:20 says ``The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in my right hand, and the golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the seven churches, and the seven candlesticks which you saw are the seven churches ``............ See do your church have a candlestick of the Lord and is it one of God churches? If it does, you need to go and be counted as one for the glory of God to worship the Lord, so you cannot miss going as God Multitude of Heavenly Host of God will be there helping God's Spirit ........ If your church does not have a candlestick and God's Heavenly Host, then you need to invite God and His Spirit in to your Church for Jesus and pray for people blocking God to have a Heavenly Host helping them.

I reduced this to this-

Revelations (1:20) speaks about the candlesticks of the church's-in relation to this post, this means most simply that church's have a divine calling and value to Christ today to bring light to the world.

rachelrising said:

I take hope in the fact that we seem to be putting less stock in famous Christians, and refocusing on Christ himself (who, might I add, remains scandal-free).

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All have to be scandal free, the apostles of the Lord are examples of the faith.


2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12 Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

How many false pastors do you think there may be when there are many antichrists, many false prophets for this end time, let me have a guess and say it is entirety every single one. ( you did ask for expertise, that is mine)

But Acts 15 does make something clear in your questioning, GOD BEARS WITNESS, not those pastors, not men, and when God gives the Holy Ghost, ( WHICH PASTPERS CANNOT GIVE, NOR FAITH.) then that is God PURIFYING THE HEARTSD BY FAITH. ( all whoever they are sabbath keeping or not, it is THEIR FAITH.)



Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

rachelrising said:

Hi everyone, with some of your expertise here, I was wondering your thoughts on this Acts 15.
Everything was done with the Gospels when the Lord was active in ministry. Revealtions is a vision of the Lord also.

Somebody wrote this to me. I looked at Acts 15 and it was about not eating foods to idols etc.....then it mentioned about circumsion. No mention of the word the Sabbath was used. I know under Mosaic law they used to do the Sabbath on Saturday and most Christians moved this to Sunday.

Lets look at what they said-
Acts 15 sets out the requirements placed by the Council of Jerusalem on Gentile believers.
Sabbath observance was not required.

..
My minister told me this about Act 15-"
Acts 15 this part is what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspective.
..
It is clear to me there is no mention about loving God in this that we need this as Christians. Some say online that this is for new believers some describe them as Gentile Christians. I think this important as well as some people clearly use this to say Sabbath keeping is not required. It some ways it remind me of all things are permissable but clearer the idols fornication etc is not but it hints there by not mentioning that the rest is permissable but not expident to be like this for spiritual development it seems base line.

Why is there is no mention of love of God in this or respect for others Jesus 2nd greatest Commandment and the Sabbath. I know it is promoted but this is this about to you? Lets resolve it.

Edited to add-
I looked at this again using the Gosepl Coliation website who seem approved to write on the faith and got this, what do some of you think at first thoughts-

For Christians the message of Acts 15 becomes clear about effectively our bottom line as Christians through the works of Christ alone, what Act 15 points out is that salvation is by faith through grace alone are the most important things we should rest on as Christians-but the church remains promoted and spiritually enriching but if you are not able to attend it does not rest on your salavation. which rests on Christ alone. Acts 15 is stopping people falling into legalism and trying to bring in other rules, plus stopping dissension amongst different believers.

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Hi friend and Happy Sabbath,

The main concept of Acts 15 is revealed in the first verse

Acts 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved

Circumcision was never a means of salvation, it was a sign in the OT that showed you were part of God's people. So in order to receive the cure for sin in the OT, one needed to be circumcised to get access to the earthy temple and animal sacrifices for sin.

In the New Covenant- Jesus took away that wall of separation you can read in Eph3 and Col 2 but I can give you specific verses if you would like. Jesus became our Sacrificial Lamb so instead of an animal sacrifice for sins, we can pray for repentance directly to Him. 1John1:9

The Jews were making Gentiles get circumcised in order to hear the gospel Gal2:3 and be saved Acts 15:1 this was never the purpose of circumcision and the Jews were basically teaching they can save themselves apart from Christ which Paul had to correct and we see it in a lot of his writings.

This council came up with 4 basic things to start with so new Christian converts would not be overwhelmed.

Its not the only things that are required for Gentiles but basically started with health laws on the commandments of God. In Scripture when they list one of the Ten Commandments, it means them all James2:11

everything else they were learning every Sabbath
Acts 15: 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

as the Gentiles were already keeping as we see earlier


Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

I hope this helps a little!

God bless.

Abraham1st said:

All have to be scandal free, the apostles of the Lord are examples of the faith.


2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12 Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

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It is good to be scandal free. Sometimes it is not them that brings it to them-someone else can do it and hits them as well. They though may deal with it as best as they can. Justin Webly appeared scandal free, but his co-workers was not so it was reported. They said he didn't do enough to clear it up. He should have done so if he didn't. I am not one to judge that, but he stepped down. Moses asked for his name to removed from the Book of life, it was not his fault. He had no wrong doing. People didn't listen to him and questioned God a bit too much. God dislikes tailbearers, those who idol gossip. Nobody is perfect and Christ is alone. The point is, if the minister collapses Christ doesn't and remain focused on him and consider again if you want to anybody if going to a church if a scandal or poor behaviour has stopped someone from going as it is Christ who truly carries the Church which he is the head of and the Holy Spirit carries it as well who we should be focused on.

SabbathBlessings said:

Hi friend and Happy Sabbath,

The main concept of Acts 15 is revealed in the first verse

Acts 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved

Circumcision was never a means of salvation, it was a sign in the OT that showed you were part of God's people. So in order to receive the cure for sin in the OT, one needed to be circumcised to get access to the earthy temple and animal sacrifices for sin.

In the New Covenant- Jesus took away that wall of separation you can read in Eph3 and Col 2 but I can give you specific verses if you would like. Jesus became our Sacrificial Lamb so instead of an animal sacrifice for sins, we can pray for repentance directly to Him. 1John1:9

The Jews were making Gentiles get circumcised in order to hear the gospel Gal2:3 and be saved Acts 15:1 this was never the purpose of circumcision and the Jews were basically teaching they can save themselves apart from Christ which Paul had to correct and we see it in a lot of his writings.

This council came up with 4 basic things to start with so new Christian converts would not be overwhelmed.

Its not the only things that are required for Gentiles but basically started with health laws on the commandments of God. In Scripture when they list one of the Ten Commandments, it means them all James2:11

everything else they were learning every Sabbath
Acts 15: 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

as the Gentiles were already keeping as we see earlier


Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

I hope this helps a little!

God bless.

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Thank you so much SabbathBlessings and happy Sabbath to you. It has been great to work with on this and you have taught me a lot. I have done some revision on it using yours and Abraham1st gentle touch to. I would say perhaps it is concluded now. Thank you. May be GotQuestions may see this differently. I hope so, if not the truth is always good.

For new believers in Christ the message of Acts 15 becomes clear about effectively our bottom line for new Christians through the works of Christ alone, what Act 15 points out is that salvation is by faith through grace alone are the most important things that we should rest on as Christians-but the church remains promoted and spiritually enriching, but if you are not able to attend it does not rest on your salvation to eternal life, which rests on Christ alone and our spirit will bear witness. Within the Council of Jerusalem the Mosaic law of circumcision was removed in (Leviticus 22:3), but there was no mention of the Sabbath being removed.

Acts 15 is about stopping people from falling into legalism and trying to bring in other rules, plus stopping dissension amongst different believers. Acts 15 this is part of what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspectives. The council came up with four basic things to start with so new Christian converts would not be overwhelmed. Good news, it that does not mention that women should not be involved in ministry.

rachelrising said:

Moses asked for his name to removed from the Book of life, it was not his fault. He had no wrong doing. People didn't listen to him and questioned God a bit too much. God dislikes tailbearers, those who idol gossip. Nobody is perfect and Christ is alone.

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Very brutal those in the law, not just then at the time of Moses, but seen now by the world, gr\t at killing, not so great at kindness.

So Moses said to blot him out of the Lords book, the Lord tells Moses whosoever sins against Him, will be blotted out of HIs book.

About three thousand fell that day for the golden calf they had made.


Exodus 32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the Lord's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
29 For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves today to the Lord, even every man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day.
30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the Lord; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
31 And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.
35 And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.



Amos speaks of the men of Israel desiring the day of the Lord, that it is not for them, a day of darkness and not light, Israel while God sent HIs Son to atone for the worlds sins, continued to make sacrifices, which God did not require of them and still does not, instead they respond by murder, even until now, so much for law and commandments, it is evil people following brutality.

The answer of God is captivity for them.



Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.
24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.
25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is The God of hosts.


Jesus told the people of Israel to search the scriptures, as they testify of Him, but they would not come to Him to have life, and how these who receive any person they promote, any so called teacher of God, means they do not have the love of God I them, as they came in their own name and one we know did not come in HIs own name, was was sent , but Moses accuses all of these in the law, as Moses wrote of Christ, but they dont believe Moses so didnt believe in Christ.

Moses had told the people of Israel to hear the one like unto him, but they did not hear, the fathers of those men of Israel would not obey Moses, and thrust him from themselves, and wanted a calf of gold, then they were exiled beyond Babylon for it.




John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.



All things condemned us with the ten commandments, dont think you will promote it here, you will be seen to speak of condemnation, no matter how sneakily any teacher of the law tries to hide, ALL THAT BELIEVE ARE JUSTIFIED, which we CULD NOT AND WILL NEVER RECEIVE JUSTIFICATION FROM ANY PART OF THE DECLAYED TEN COMMANDMENTS.

Now the example is to not do at all as the men of Israel/those kin the law/those who promote the law di, but to take heed ( in faith) so you dont fall.




Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


1 Corinthians 10:Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

rachelrising said:

Within the Council of Jerusalem the Mosaic law of circumcision was removed in (Leviticus 22:3), but there was no mention of the Sabbath being removed.

Acts 15 is about stopping people from falling into legalism and trying to bring in other rules, plus stopping dissension amongst different believers. Acts 15 this is part of what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspectives. The council came up with four basic things to start with so new Christian converts would not be overwhelmed. Good news, it that does not mention that women should not be involved in ministry.

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Sabbath is removed because it is a shadow, and the church did not develop, it fell into legalism.




Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?


Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Abraham1st said:

Sabbath is removed because it is a shadow, and the church did not develop, it fell into legalism.




Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?


Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

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Thank you, the thing is it didn't mention the Sabbath being removed, it is not written-added this though?
but there was no mention of the Sabbath being removed. Acts 15 didn't mention the love of God either which Jesus said is the 1st Commandment for all Christians and is the most important requirement for Christians today (Matthew 22:38) and in the Old Testatment as well. Acts 15 falls short of the full scope of the spiritual guidance for Christians today.

The bolded bit is the key thing I think below
The Sabbath continues in this same assembly in the New Heaven and New Earth (Isa 66:23) (Mal3:6 )(Heb 13:8) just as it was on earth for the apostles decades after the Cross following in the example set forth by Jesus. For new believers in Christ the message of Acts 15 becomes clear about effectively our bottom line for new Christians through the works of Christ alone, what Act 15 points out is that salvation is by faith through grace alone are the most important things that we should rest on as Christians-but the church remains promoted and spiritually enriching, but if you are not able to attend it does not rest on your salvation to eternal life, which rests on Christ alone and our spirit will bear witness to the truth. Within the Council of Jerusalem the Mosaic law of circumcision was removed in (Leviticus 22:3) for new Jewish converts to Christianity and this became optional, but there was no mention of the Sabbath being mentioned on the list of behaviours/things to avoid for new believers. Act 15 listed things to avoid, not what to do-it also didn't mention the 1st Commandment for Christians as by said by Jesus Christ which was to love God 1st and respect others as the 2nd Commandment (Matthew 22:38).

Acts 15 is about stopping people from falling into legalism and trying to bring in other rules, plus stopping dissension amongst different believers. Acts 15 this is part of what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspectives. The council came up with four basic things to start with so new Christian converts would not be overwhelmed. Good news, it that does not mention that women should not be involved in ministry.

rachelrising said:

Thank you so much SabbathBlessings and happy Sabbath to you. It has been great to work with on this and you have taught me a lot. I have done some revision on it using yours and Abraham1st gentle touch to. I would say perhaps it is concluded now. Thank you. May be GotQuestions may see this differently. I hope so, if not the truth is always good.

For new believers in Christ the message of Acts 15 becomes clear about effectively our bottom line for new Christians through the works of Christ alone, what Act 15 points out is that salvation is by faith through grace alone are the most important things that we should rest on as Christians-but the church remains promoted and spiritually enriching, but if you are not able to attend it does not rest on your salvation to eternal life, which rests on Christ alone and our spirit will bear witness. Within the Council of Jerusalem the Mosaic law of circumcision was removed in (Leviticus 22:3), but there was no mention of the Sabbath being removed.

Acts 15 is about stopping people from falling into legalism and trying to bring in other rules, plus stopping dissension amongst different believers. Acts 15 this is part of what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspectives. The council came up with four basic things to start with so new Christian converts would not be overwhelmed. Good news, it that does not mention that women should not be involved in ministry.

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I am personally not a fan of GotQuestions they view is their own personal views not necessarily the Biblical view and I do not believe they are interested in Biblical Truth. They may have some sprinkled in here or there, but a little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Jesus warned of us this sort of thing before He returns

Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

What I believe He means is many will come in His name proclaiming Christ or to be Christians yet teaching something contrary to what God said.

I personally like AmazingFacts.com if I have questions, they have a very robust search bar you can type in just about any subject or any Scripture.

God bless!

False prophets teach a lot, and they do nothing, and the ones they teach do nothing the same.

The example of Christ and for belief to not die in or sins is to believe He died for our sins and rose again for our justification.

False prophets/teachers teach another Jesus, and not Jesus Christ and Him crucified.



Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat1:21, not save us in sins.

According to God this is what someone teaches who is not from the spirit of God

Isa8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.

Sin is breaking God’s laws 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30

If we are in Christ and abiding in Him, we would be keeping His commandments, not to be saved, but thats how someone in Christ lives, righteously, just as He is and did for our example. 1 John3:7 John15:10 1 John 2:6

Sadly. If we hold on to our sins and refuse to give them up in Christ Pro28:13 John3:19-21 there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Justification is just the first step- coming to Jesus just as we are, but He wants us to grow from milk to solid food and allow Him to sanctify us John14:15-18 Eze20:12 sadly many never want to to the next step, because they like their sins more than their love for Jesus 1John1:9 John14:15

Thank you SabbathBlessings, I will look at that website you recommended. My rector/minster at church recommended Gospel Coliation to me as a place for information. Ministers seem to write on that website a bit. It was interesting this thread about how Paul words about our Temple should be glorified now means to me to some we can stay at home and worship our bodies at home. Now, it seems Jesus dispute with the law some people seem to be using that to avoid church to.

About GotQuestions. It can be strange. I look on google and found a link on their website about why church going is promoted and then to me seemed to be saying that church going and also the Sabbath wasn't. I got a reply from editor saying this which I will crop to the essentai parts-

The Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) was for the Jewish people and was to be a sign of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:13).

Christians today are not under the law, and the Sabbath rules do not apply (see Romans 14:5–6 and Colossians 2:16). We are free to meet and worship God on any day of the week. We usually choose Sunday, the first day of the week, in honor of Jesus' resurrection (see Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2).
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I replied to them this-

Thank you, perhaps you could link to another one of your posts where you explain that church going is promoted as your original article stating that is not a commandment-makes it seem that church going is itself is no longer desirable or promoted in the NT and it is in many scriptures as other articles points.

I do attend church at times on other days of the week and also on a Sunday but is me.

Btw, Colossions 2:16 is about not being judged for partaking in the Sabbath and other activities and my church minister told me and not that setting aside one day of rest has been terminated under Jesus spiritual law which he came to fulfil.

It is mentioned several times that the commandments are God's forever at the end of the Bible as well in Psalm 111 and Revelations 14:12. Jesus didn't come to break the law but to fulfil it.

I think that just about concludes it-


Jesus resurrection was on the 7th day and this has symbolic meaning for Christians. It is a day of rest and it continues the older tradition. Jesus came to fulfil the law and you can worship in a church on any of the day of the week it is open too, and you set that as your holy day if you choose to if it burdens you less. Jesus came to bring the law to its logical conclusion and not break the law and he fulfilled the law. In terms of this-if you are burdened by Sabbath or any other day as a holy day think about if you want to keep it as you should do it freely and form your own conclusions (Romans 14:5-6). In (Acts 20:7) they also continued to worship on the Sabbath. Good news, it that does not mention that women should not be involved in ministry.

see this church as well, I live in the UK so don't go there-
Should I keep the Sabbath on a Saturday or a Sunday?

The Christian and the Sabbath? — ST ANDREW'S CATHEDRAL

There two articles-

Why is church attendance / going to church important? | GotQuestions.org

Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? | GotQuestions.org

rachelrising said:

Thank you SabbathBlessings, I will look at that website you recommended. My rector/minster at church recommended GotQuestions to me as a place for information. Ministers seem to write on that website a bit. It was interesting this thread about how Paul words about our Temple should be glorified now means to me to some we can stay at home and worship our bodies at home. Now, it seems Jesus dispute with the law some people seem to be using that to avoid church to.

About GotQuestions. It can be strange. I look on google and found a link on their website about why church going is promoted and then to me seemed to be saying that church going and also the Sabbath wasn't. I got a reply from editor saying this which I will crop to the essentai parts-

The Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) was for the Jewish people and was to be a sign of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:13).

Christians today are not under the law, and the Sabbath rules do not apply (see Romans 14:5–6 and Colossians 2:16). We are free to meet and worship God on any day of the week. We usually choose Sunday, the first day of the week, in honor of Jesus' resurrection (see Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2).
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I replied to them this-

Thank you, perhaps you could link to another one of your posts where you explain that church going is promoted as your original article stating that is not a commandment-makes it seem that church going is itself is no longer desirable or promoted in the NT and it is in many scriptures as other articles points.

I do attend church at times on other days of the week and also on a Sunday but is me.

Btw, Colossions 2:16 is about not being judged for partaking in the Sabbath and other activities and my church minister told me and not that setting aside one day of rest has been terminated under Jesus spiritual law which he came to fulfil.

It is mentioned several times that the commandments are God's forever at the end of the Bible as well in Psalm 111 and Revelations 14:12. Jesus didn't come to break the law but to fulfil it.

I think that just about concludes it-


Jesus resurrection was on the 7th day and this has symbolic meaning for Christians. It is a day of rest and it continues the older tradition. Jesus came to fulfil the law and you can worship in a church on any of the day of the week it is open too, and you set that as your holy day if you choose to if it burdens you less. Jesus came to bring the law to its logical conclusion and not break the law and he fulfilled the law. In terms of this-if you are burdened by Sabbath or any other day as a holy day think about if you want to keep it as you should do it freely and form your own conclusions (Romans 14:5-6). In (Acts 20:7) they also continued to worship on the Sabbath. Good news, it that does not mention that women should not be involved in ministry.

see this church as well, I live in the UK so don't go there-
Should I keep the Sabbath on a Saturday or a Sunday?

The Christian and the Sabbath? — ST ANDREW'S CATHEDRAL

There two articles-

Why is church attendance / going to church important? | GotQuestions.org

Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? | GotQuestions.org

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Its important to study our Bible for ourselves, like I said I am not a fan of Got Questions for this reason Isa8:20

I know Col2:16 is the "go to" verse everyone uses to get rid of the Sabbath commandment. But sadly many never look at the context which started at least in v14 and the fact the Paul came along after Jesus ratified His covenant at the Cross- It Is Finished, nothing can be added or changed to God's covenant without another blood sacrifice, but Jesus sacrifice was once and for all Heb10:10

Plus we have a salvation warning about misunderstanding Paul's writings 2Peter 3:16 and lastly but more importantly this teaching contradicts the teaching of Jesus Christ Psa89:34 Mat5:17-30 Mat24:20 Isa66:23 and even the actions of the apostles who kept faithfully every Sabbath decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4

There is more than one sabbath in the Bible. The sabbath(s) Paul is referring to are the annaul ceremonial feast day sabbath(s) that have to do with food and drink offerings that came after the fall, the context what was handwritten (God wrote with His finger) that is contrary and against, the Sabbath is the holy day of the Lord thy God and the sign of His sanctification, that is not contrary or against- but what Moses handwrote in a book that was placed outside the ark as a witness against which held all the annual ceremonial feast days and annual sabbaths along with the animal sacrifices etc Deut 31:24-26 the context that no one ever quotes Col2:14KJV. The Sabbath commandment is on a whole other foundation, it came before sin Exo20:11 and its part of the Ten Commandments, the Testimony of God that no man can alter. The weekly Sabbath points to our Creator and can never be a shadow of anything and this is what Paul was quoting in Col2:17 Heb10:1-10 Heb 9:10-15

I can provide a study on this if interested.

There is no sabbath commandment, there is hypocrisy for those who teach law.

Sabbath saves nobody, it is a day of rest, it is antichrist against Christ to teach against the crucifixion, that is what saves anyone, not the rest that Christ did, but the work He did to save us from the law that destroys.

Law teachers are finished, I guess they wont accept that, but they are without the word of God in them, so they cannot make a word to stick.

Just these few scriptures below reveal the deceivers, nothing more is needed but there is so much more to see what's posted against them on this general theology forum...




John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Luke 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

1 Timothy 4:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.




Jeremiah 5:13 And the prophets shall become wind, and THE WORD IS NOT IN THEM: thus shall it be done unto them.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, CARRIED ABOUT OF WINDS; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

2 Peter 2:1 But there were FALSE PROPHETS also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS AMONG YOU, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Peter 2:17 These are wells without water, CLOUDS THAT ARE CARRIED WITH A TEMPEST; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Abraham1st said:

There is no sabbath commandment, there is hypocrisy for those who teach law.

Sabbath saves nobody, it is a day of rest, it is antichrist against Christ to teach against the crucifixion, that is what saves anyone, not the rest that Christ did, but the work He did to save us from the law that destroys.

Law teachers are finished, I guess they wont accept that, but they are without the word of God in them, so they cannot make a word to stick.

Just these few scriptures below reveal the deceivers, nothing more is needed but there is so much more to see what's posted against them on this general theology forum...




John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Luke 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

1 Timothy 4:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.




Jeremiah 5:13 And the prophets shall become wind, and THE WORD IS NOT IN THEM: thus shall it be done unto them.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, CARRIED ABOUT OF WINDS; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

2 Peter 2:1 But there were FALSE PROPHETS also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS AMONG YOU, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Peter 2:17 These are wells without water, CLOUDS THAT ARE CARRIED WITH A TEMPEST; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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To top it off, some sabbath keepers believe that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment so all professed Christians that worship on Sunday are living a life of sin and need to repent in order to attain salvation. Talk about trying to put the monkey of the law back on the Christian’s back. Ain’t that a kicker.

Hentenza said:

To top it off, some sabbath keepers believe that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment so all professed Christians that worship on Sunday are living a life of sin and need to repent in order to attain salvation. Talk about trying to put the monkey of the law back on the Christian’s back. Ain’t that a kicker.

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The sabbath day is a foreshadowing of the rest we'd find in christ Jesus.

Lost Witness said:

The sabbath day is a foreshadowing of the rest we'd find in christ Jesus.

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The whole of the OT is a foreshadowing of the coming of Christ. It’s Christological. Jesus fulfilled the sabbath on Himself by becoming the Lord of the sabbath and instituting His rest.

Lost Witness said:

The sabbath day is a foreshadowing of the rest we'd find in christ Jesus.

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This is a popular teaching, but not one found in the Holy Bible.

The 4th commandment didn't get spiralized away, just like the other 9 commandments didn't.

The rest we receive in Christ is from sin Psa 38:3 Mat 11:28. In Christ rest no one is sinning 1John3:4 or breaking any of His commandments James2:11 , including the 4th commandment Mat12:12 Mat5:19 , this is called unrest, Christ said He would give rest for those who come to Him AND He kept the seventh day Sabbath Luke4:16 Heb4:10, Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11 Lev23:3 as our example 1John2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22. The rest Christ gives does not delete our moral obligation to keep His commandments.

Jesus said man should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting the OT Mat4:4 is not an example that the OT got deleted.