Trump third term

rjs330 said:

I actually love this. Trump LOVES to troll the media and the rest of the left. This thread is a great example. Its quite hilarious.

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Is that the job description of a President of the United States of America: trolling the left?
We speak of someone who controls the biggest military force, the biggest nuclear arsenal and the biggest economy. We speak of someones who's word matters. And you cheer when we see more strolling than serious talk?

Is that what you want, a troll as president?

Perpetual Student said:

Is that the job description of a President of the United States of America: trolling the left?
We speak of someone who controls the biggest military force, the biggest nuclear arsenal and the biggest economy. We speak of someones who's word matters. And you cheer when we see more strolling than serious talk?

Is that what you want, a troll as president?

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Why do people keep asking this incredulously? Yes, this is exactly what they want.

Belk said:

Why do people keep asking this incredulously? Yes, this is exactly what they want.

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Maybe I am a naive idiot who desperately seeks something (anything) good in a human being.
Very desperately.

Perpetual Student said:

Is that the job description of a President of the United States of America: trolling the left?
We speak of someone who controls the biggest military force, the biggest nuclear arsenal and the biggest economy. We speak of someones who's word matters. And you cheer when we see more strolling than serious talk?

Is that what you want, a troll as president?

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Is it in the job description of the leaders and talking heads on the left to character assassinate the duly elected president with lies , rogue judges, media, leftist mayors and governors disregarding the rule of law? It apparently is what some think is the way to respond to the legitimate government in power this cycle.

RileyG said:

That is if he lives to 87. He's not young. Time isn't on his side.

But no. I highly, highly doubt there will ever be a third term. That's against our constitution.

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If he's still alive, able to talk and move. I think he will try.

ThatRobGuy said:

No, a normie Democrat from that era I described would've been someone who was center-left economically, and centrist on the social issues.

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Or someone who matches your position. Got it.

ThatRobGuy said:

The reason why Trump won those two elections was because they picked bad candidates with bad strategies. Their gender had nothing to do with it.

Hillary viewed the "fly-over" states as a afterthought. It was Wisconsin (and there was one other state I can't remember) that she didn't even campaign in at all And she didn't even add a Midwest campaign strategist to her campaign team until 2-3 weeks before the election for a last ditch effort only after polling results started to look a little iffy.

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I don't know what this "other state" is, but while it was dumb to not campaign in Wisconsin (and that "other state") she lost by 3 states, not 2. (I know two things as a fact: She definitely campaigned in Pennsylvania [which was one of those three states] and Pennsylvania is not and never has been in the Midwest.)

ThatRobGuy said:

Kamala's case was where she played "political chameleon" in ways that disenfranchised some of her own team's voters and left them unexcited.

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I frankly don't get this attitude. No politician is everything to everyone or "perfect". Complaining that a politician emphasizes different things to different groups is silly. They all do it and they need to as there is no "monolithic block" big enough to win an election.

ThatRobGuy said:

If you look at the election results between 2020 and 2024, it's not that Trump gained a bunch of voters, it's that Kamala fell way short of the number the voters that Biden got. (about 6 million fewer voters came out for her than came out for Biden) -- Pew Research estimated that about 12% of 2020 Biden voters either voted 3rd party or stayed home on election day.

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And weren't these largely core voters and left voters? Those that didn't like her stances on "left issues" like Gaza or thought she was taking them for granted, Arab voters, Black voters, Progressives, etc.? They did vote 3 Dem senators into office (in MI, WI, and AZ) and Brown did much better than Trump in OH.

ThatRobGuy said:

I was in the latter group... I voted Biden in 2020, in 2024, I left that section of the ballot blank and opted to just vote for state/local matters.

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I didn't there were so many "Centrists" who did that. I guess you were OK with Trump becoming president again? (I can at least respect conservatives who could bring themselves to for Trump or a Democrat and even understand leftists who voted Green.)

Hans Blaster said:

I didn't there were so many "Centrists" who did that. I guess you were OK with Trump becoming president again? (I can at least respect conservatives who could bring themselves to for Trump or a Democrat and even understand leftists who voted Green.)

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...it's because the whole reason a lot of us in the middle voted for Biden in the first place in 2020 was because he was packaged as a "return to normalcy" in the form of a somewhat (for lack of a better term) "Boring" cookie cutter throwback to the 90's/2000's democrats which would've been refreshing after all of the lunacy and bickering of 2016-2019.

...but that's not what happened, and if I'd had a crystal ball back then, I probably would have abstained from voting in 2020 too.

I used to vote Libertarian as a default when I didn't like either candidate (like I did in 2016)...but that didn't seem to make people happy either.

Postvieww said:

Is it in the job description of the leaders and talking heads on the left to character assassinate the duly elected president with lies , rogue judges, media, leftist mayors and governors disregarding the rule of law? It apparently is what some think is the way to respond to the legitimate government in power this cycle.

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It is a poor attempt at deflection to ask about the behaviour of "the left". Are you so ashamed of your President's behaviour that, instead of answering a simple question you need to deflect? Note, it is understandable. I would be ashamed too, if Trump were my president, with the behaviour he displays.

ThatRobGuy said:

...it's because the whole reason a lot of us in the middle voted for Biden in the first place in 2020 was because he was packaged as a "return to normalcy" in the form of a somewhat (for lack of a better term) "Boring" cookie cutter throwback to the 90's/2000's democrats which would've been refreshing after all of the lunacy and bickering of 2016-2019.

...but that's not what happened, and if I'd had a crystal ball back then, I probably would have abstained from voting in 2020 too.

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In what way was Biden as President not "normalcy"?

ThatRobGuy said:

I used to vote Libertarian as a default when I didn't like either candidate (like I did in 2016)...but that didn't seem to make people happy either.

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Oh my.

Hans Blaster said:

In what way was Biden as President not "normalcy"?

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- Record-setting migrant crossings at the southern border
- Picking his cabinet roster as if he was using a "marginalized demographic" bingo card
- Pushed for massive federal spending packages
- Attempted sweeping student loan cancellation
- Was a far cry from "the center" in terms of DEI-related initiatives

...and the last 18 months of his tenure were abnormal, not to due to policy, but because I was watching a confused grandpa with a blank stare wandering around like a Roomba trying to find its charging station (while everyone else in the administration and media lied and said "this is best version of Biden we've ever seen! He hasn't missed a step!")

Perpetual Student said:

It is a poor attempt at deflection to ask about the behaviour of "the left". Are you so ashamed of your President's behaviour that, instead of answering a simple question you need to deflect? Note, it is understandable. I would be ashamed too, if Trump were my president, with the behaviour he displays.

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It’s not a deflection it is shining a light on blatant hypocrisy. I am not ashamed of Trumps leadership, many liberals just can’t conceive of a leader who actually follows through on campaign promise. Whatever ones take on Trump is , it is indisputable that he is doing exactly what he campaigned on.

Hans Blaster said:

In what way was Biden as President not "normalcy"?

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Funny you should ask . You do realize that members of his staff actually performed many presidential duties because he was not capable. That is in no way normal. Near the end Hunter probably had more sway than Joe. God help us !

Perpetual Student said:

Maybe I am a naive idiot who desperately seeks something (anything) good in a human being.
Very desperately.

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Fair. But as many have pointed out through history, no one has ever gone broke appealing to humanities darker nature.

ThatRobGuy said:

- Record-setting migrant crossings at the southern border

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Was that real or just the fantasy numbers generated by a demented political candidate last year?

(I will also note that the President of the US does not control the decisions of non-Americans to cross the border.)

ThatRobGuy said:

- Picking his cabinet roster as if he was using a "marginalized demographic" bingo card

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Oh boy.

1. That's what happens when your coalition is "liberal whites and gay and all the non-white people" and the other one is "the reset of the white people". There is going to be a lot of demographic groups to make promises to. On the plus side you have access to most the talented people in those groups. The least qualified member of Biden's cabinet ("mayor" Pete) would be in the top three in the current cabinet for qualification and competence (or better). All of this "they picked a minority" complaint about high level positions always forgets that there are many many people who would be suitable for those jobs. Picking a "marginalized demographic" does not injure the candidate pool. (Unless the demographic is "morons and bootlicks", there is no chance with that group.)

2. Presidents have been doing this for about a century. FDR put the first woman (and I think Jew) on his. Before that all white male Christians (excepting the deists of the 18th century). Republicans did the same, sometimes "breaking barriers" others just making sure they had some women/minorities in the Cabinet.

3. The Democratic party is at most 1/2 white. It has a smaller proportion of Christians (particularly evangelicals) among its members, and more non-whites, non-Christians, and LGBT people than the GOP. Presidents draw cabinets from their own party, so they will reflect its demographics. If anything it was *Trump* in his first term that was reaching as non-whites were overrepresented in the cabinet relative to their membership proportions in the GOP.

ThatRobGuy said:

- Pushed for massive federal spending packages

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(a final COVID package and a infrastructure package) These things are so "abnormal" that Biden's immediate successor and predecessor had their own packages in the first year of the term. It was more focused on "big beautiful tax cuts and jobs", but it is the same kind of package.

ThatRobGuy said:

- Attempted sweeping student loan cancellation

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Oh. No. (are you jealous of the current student loan holders getting some help?)

I will remind you that "normalcy" is a general condition or manner of acting, not "status quo ante-Trump". Things happened in those 4 years and some corrective measures were needed. Was this one of them? I don't know. I payed off my student loans 20 years ago.

ThatRobGuy said:

- Was a far cry from "the center" in terms of DEI-related initiatives

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Aren't you just repeating yourself now? What exactly are these? He let trans people openly serve in the military?

ThatRobGuy said:

...and the last 18 months of his tenure were abnormal, not to due to policy, but because I was watching a confused grandpa with a blank stare wandering around like a Roomba trying to find its charging station (while everyone else in the administration and media lied and said "this is best version of Biden we've ever seen! He hasn't missed a step!")

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Suppose you are correct that Biden was "broken Grandpa Joe" for 18 months. He didn't have control of that. It wasn't a policy he implemented. It is not relevant to the first 30 months. (And yes, he should have decided to not run about a year earlier, but egos you know. You can't make it to president without a pretty serious ego.)

Hans Blaster said:

Was that real or just the fantasy numbers generated by a demented political candidate last year?

(I will also note that the President of the US does not control the decisions of non-Americans to cross the border.)

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No, it wasn't fantasy numbers, even left-leaning publications have acknowledged that Biden's tenure set some records in that regard.

...and I would disagree with your assertion, the policies of an administration can absolutely influence the decisions of non-American to cross the boarder.

"Remain in Mexico" and it's Obama-era predecessor both showed to be pretty good deterrents.

Hans Blaster said:

Oh boy.

1. That's what happens when your coalition is "liberal whites and gay and all the non-white people" and the other one is "the reset of the white people". There is going to be a lot of demographic groups to make promises to. On the plus side you have access to most the talented people in those groups. The least qualified member of Biden's cabinet ("mayor" Pete) would be in the top three in the current cabinet for qualification and competence (or better).

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I don't doubt other administrations have picked "token" cabinet members before...

But not to the degree Biden did, in fact, Biden openly bragged that he was going to do it more than any other president.

He pledged "to have the most diverse cabinet in US history"

And that even extended to the rest of the staff

Hans Blaster said:

(a final COVID package and a infrastructure package) These things are so "abnormal" that Biden's immediate successor and predecessor had their own packages in the first year of the term. It was more focused on "big beautiful tax cuts and jobs", but it is the same kind of package.

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Yes, other presidents have passed stimulus packages before...but again, not to the same degree.

I believe Biden holds the record for most federal stimulus-related pending in a single presidential term, doesn't he? Somewhere in the ballpark of 4 Trillion.

That dwarfs Obama's stimulus spending during the recession and the auto bailouts.

Hans Blaster said:

Oh. No. (are you jealous of the current student loan holders getting some help?)

I will remind you that "normalcy" is a general condition or manner of acting, not "status quo ante-Trump". Things happened in those 4 years and some corrective measures were needed. Was this one of them? I don't know. I payed off my student loans 20 years ago.

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Not jealous...

Again, the topic was "return to normalcy". Trying to cancel everyone's student debt is not the "norm"

Hans Blaster said:

Aren't you just repeating yourself now? What exactly are these? He let trans people openly serve in the military?

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He declared that "day of visibility" thing and got on board with all the talking points about how "gender affirming care for minors is healthcare"

Hans Blaster said:

Suppose you are correct that Biden was "broken Grandpa Joe" for 18 months. He didn't have control of that. It wasn't a policy he implemented.

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No, but it's not normal.

And staff and pundits circling the wagons to pretend as if there's nothing wrong isn't normal either.

rjs330 said:

I know you are. Its too bad you feel that way. If things keep going the way they are, we will have a better and stronger America than we've had in sometime.

As long as the economy does okay.

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Meanwhile the economy is crashing, soldiers are in the street stealing people out of their homes and places of employment, and we are actively destroying our reputation across the globe by burning every bridge with every ally we have.

Oh yes, "better and stronger".

-CryptoLutheran

I was half way through reading your post before I realized what the problem with your argument was. None of these poltical complaints have anything to do with what Biden was referring to by "going back to normalcy". Nor was a "return to normalcy" the only campaign promise he made. So what was the "abnormal" aspect of the Trump presidency that Biden was promising a path out of.

What what was "abnormal" Biden was offering a path from?

1. A president who spends his time tweeting.

2. Rampant corruption, self-dealing, criminality, etc.

3. Backing dictators and betraying democracies internationally. Threatening to leave NATO.

Trump was abnormal and Biden promised a return to normalcy. Then there was the fact that it was 2020 and the other return to normalcy he could promise was the wide-spread distribution of the vaccine to put an end to any remaining restrictions and ... return us to normal.

It is not as if "return to normalcy" was Biden's full political platform. There were other, regular political things like infrastructure, and aid/lower taxes for the middle class and taxing the rich, etc. (And no, I don't remember the details of Biden's platform, so I'm not staking my argument on any of the details in this paragraph.)

ThatRobGuy said:

No, it wasn't fantasy numbers, even left-leaning publications have acknowledged that Biden's tenure set some records in that regard.

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Given the amount of lying Trump did during the 2024 campaign it is hard to remember or keep track of.

ThatRobGuy said:

...and I would disagree with your assertion, the policies of an administration can absolutely influence the decisions of non-American to cross the boarder.

"Remain in Mexico" and it's Obama-era predecessor both showed to be pretty good deterrents.

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Sure, they can, Rob, sure they can...

ThatRobGuy said:

I don't doubt other administrations have picked "token" cabinet members before...

But not to the degree Biden did, in fact, Biden openly bragged that he was going to do it more than any other president.

He pledged "to have the most diverse cabinet in US history"

And that even extended to the rest of the staff

Biden administration touts most diverse White House staff in history

The administration sent a personnel report to Congress on Friday detailing its staffing.

www.nbcnews.com

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Good for him.

ThatRobGuy said:

Yes, other presidents have passed stimulus packages before...but again, not to the same degree.

I believe Biden holds the record for most federal stimulus-related pending in a single presidential term, doesn't he? Somewhere in the ballpark of 4 Trillion.

That dwarfs Obama's stimulus spending during the recession and the auto bailouts.

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Which is just regular politics.

ThatRobGuy said:

Not jealous...

Again, the topic was "return to normalcy". Trying to cancel everyone's student debt is not the "norm"

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And that is *politics* of the normal kind. President tries to implement a policy, courts reject it, policy modified to meet the law.

ThatRobGuy said:

He declared that "day of visibility" thing and got on board with all the talking points about how "gender affirming care for minors is healthcare"

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Which is just politics or policy. Perfectly with in the normal pattern of presidential actions. That you don't like it doesn't change that. The presidencies of Bush and Obama were "normal" as well.

ThatRobGuy said:

No, but it's not normal.

And staff and pundits circling the wagons to pretend as if there's nothing wrong isn't normal either.

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Perpetual Student said:

Is that the job description of a President of the United States of America: trolling the left?
We speak of someone who controls the biggest military force, the biggest nuclear arsenal and the biggest economy. We speak of someones who's word matters. And you cheer when we see more strolling than serious talk?

Is that what you want, a troll as president?

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Ive already answered that kind of question.

ViaCrucis said:

Meanwhile the economy is crashing,

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No its not.

ViaCrucis said:

soldiers are in the street stealing people out of their homes and places of employment,

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No they aren't. They haven't even been deployed yet. If you are referring to agents they are serving legal warrants following the Constitutional requirements. Why are you complaining about fulfilling the Constitution?

ViaCrucis said:

we are actively destroying our reputation across the globe by burning every bridge with every ally we have.

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No we aren't.

Man, you are really buying the left wing media propeganda aren't you. No wonder you are so depressed.

The rules to become a president in the United States, is so bad, that Trump was a possibility to become president. Thanks to Trump, China is becoming a place, that other countries are turning to. While American people get screwed. Trump is spending a lot of money on bailing out Argentina. Because he friends with the president of Argentina. America farmers lost their Soybeans account to Argentina. Because of Trump's Tariffs nonsense. Because of Trump farmers lose 20 percent of cows account to Argentina. Because Trump cares more about his friends in Argentina, than American people. Farmers in Red States are suffering big time and so are people. Because they are making less money. They depend on Affordable Act Care and SNAP, but Trump doesn't care. Because of Tariffs people have to pay more money on healthy foods. Luckily I can grow my own food. Trump waisted millions on a ballroom. Instead of caring about putting money in projects for kids, homeless or anything useful. Our government is so bad, that Trump and his enablers aren't fired and in prison .