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Apple Sky · Friday at 9:15 AM

David Lamb said:
I, for one, most certainly do.

Then why are you disputing the rainbow

David Lamb said:
I believe that from Joshua's perspective, the sun and the moon stopped, just as from our perspective the sun rises and sets.

No you don't to believe this you have to believe that the sun circuits the skies.

David Lamb said:
I don't know whether they are still there,

Of course water is still there, it didn't disappear with the deluge.

David Lamb said:
but I fully believe that somewhere above the firmament (expanse) God created a body of water,

Then why do you call this body of water the clouds.?

David Lamb · Friday at 9:25 AM

Apple Sky said:
Then why are you disputing the rainbow

I am disputing, not the existence of the rainbow, or God placing it in the sky following the Flood as a sign of His promise to Noah. What I was disputing was your notion that rainbows are caused by sunlight reflecting off a solid dome firmament.

Apple Sky said:
No you don't to believe this you have to believe that the sun circuits the skies.

From man's viewpoint it does. If it doesn't why does the sun rise and set?

Apple Sky said:
Of course water is still there, it didn't disappear with the deluge.

How do you know? I said I don't know for the simple reason that the bible mentions nothing more about the waters above the firmament after the account of their creation and separation from the waters below the firmament.

Apple Sky said:
Then why do you call this body of water the clouds.?

Where have I ever called the waters above the firmament clouds?

Strong in Him · Friday at 9:51 AM

Apple Sky said:
There's a lot more to the Bible than just the Gospels.

I know; there's the OT and the epistles too.
All of which I believe.

Apple Sky · Friday at 9:59 AM

David Lamb said:
How do you know? I said I don't know for the simple reason that the bible mentions nothing more about the waters above the firmament after the account of their creation and separation from the waters below the firmament

King James Bible Psalms 148:4
Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

Strong in Him · Friday at 10:08 AM

Apple Sky said:
I have too as you don't believe in Scripture.

I didn't have time to answer this before, but this is a dishonest statement.

You did not have to turn to AI to find the answer because I don't believe in Scripture.
You had to turn to AI to find the answer because such information is not in Scripture.

This was your answer:

Apple Sky said:
We feel the warmth of the sun within a heat-resistant dome because the dome material can be transparent to the sun's radiant energy (electromagnetic radiation, specifically visible light and infrared), which is then absorbed by our skin and other surfaces inside the dome.

Show me, then, where the words "electromagnetic radiation", "infrared" and "specifically visible light" are in Scripture.
Chapter and verse please.

I'll save you the trouble - they are not there.
So to say that "I had to (use AI) because you don't believe Scripture", when those words aren't IN Scripture, either shows that you are dishonest or that you don't understand what you are saying.

And the reason those words aren't in the Bible?
Because the Bible is not a science textbook, because God has not dictated a scientific account of how he created and because we don't need to know. Such information tells us nothing about God and has nothing at all to do with salvation.

Hentenza · Friday at 10:09 AM

Apple Sky said:
King James Bible Psalms 148:4
Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

Since you seem to be so into AI and believe it over the rest of us here, the following is what AI says about this verse.

“Psalm 148:4 is a call for the "highest heavens" and the "waters above the heavens" to praise God, which reflects ancient Near Eastern cosmology
. Commentaries explain that the "highest heavens" refers to the celestial realm, the dwelling place of God, while the "waters above the heavens" likely refers to the clouds and atmospheric waters. The verse's purpose is to demonstrate God's supreme authority over all creation, visible and invisible, seen and unseen, and to call all parts of the universe into a symphony of worship.”

Apple Sky · Friday at 10:36 AM

Hentenza said:
while the "waters above the heavens" likely refers to the clouds and atmospheric waters

Only likely - referring to to the clouds & atmospheric waters, I rest my case.

prodromos · Friday at 10:55 AM

Apple Sky said:
But it does, the Bible state that the moon gives off her own light.

It doesn't. Light can be emitted or reflected.

prodromos · Friday at 10:59 AM

Apple Sky said:
Only likely - referring to to the clouds & atmospheric waters, I rest my case.

A mental case!

Apple Sky · Friday at 11:30 AM

prodromos said:
It doesn't. Light can be emitted or reflected.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mathew 24:29

Hentenza · Friday at 11:45 AM

Apple Sky said:
Only likely - referring to to the clouds & atmospheric waters, I rest my case.

No case to rest since you never had one to begin with. Even AI recognizes the imagery used in Genesis.

David Lamb · Friday at 12:14 PM

Apple Sky said:
King James Bible Psalms 148:4
Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

Well done. I had forgotten that reference.

prodromos · Friday at 4:39 PM

Apple Sky said:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mathew 24:29

Once again, "her light" can be either emitted or reflected. The Bible doesn't say.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 2:13 AM

What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

Rob skiba says;
In this second full length part of my Biblical Cosmology: Theologians Gone Wild series, various Bible scholars give their take on the issue of the Firmament. Is it a solid, dome-like structure over our heads or is it to simply be understood as the "expanse" of air, gas and the vacuum of space? How many firmaments are there anyway? And what was going on in Antarctica they may give us a hint that the firmament of Scripture is real on not just "poetic language" in the Bible?

David Lamb · Saturday at 2:23 AM

Apple Sky said:
What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

Rob skiba says;
In this second full length part of my Biblical Cosmology: Theologians Gone Wild series, various Bible scholars give their take on the issue of the Firmament. Is it a solid, dome-like structure over our heads or is it to simply be understood as the "expanse" of air, gas and the vacuum of space? How many firmaments are there anyway? And what was going on in Antarctica they may give us a hint that the firmament of Scripture is real on not just "poetic language" in the Bible?

I agree that mirrors back in those days were made of metal. However, you keep on bringing up a verse which is likening the sky to such a mirror, and applying it to the firmament. Job 37:18 says:

"Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?"

If you are saying that the sky is hard like a metal mirror, how to birds, bats and aeroplanes fly through it? How do raindrops and snowflakes fall through it? Job 37:18 does not mention the firmament. The Hebrew word translated "sky" is "shachaq", not "raqiya." There is no verse in the bible that says that the firmament, raqiya, is solid. If there is, you have not been able to far to quote one.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 2:41 AM

David Lamb said:
If there is, you have not been able to far to quote one.

I don't have too Scripture says it all, please watch Rob's video.

Strong in Him · Saturday at 2:47 AM

Apple Sky said:
I don't have too Scripture says it all,

If Scripture says it all, you should be able to quote a verse.

You, yourself, have said that the sky and the firmament are different things. So why do you treat them as though they were the same?

David Lamb · Saturday at 3:04 AM

Apple Sky said:
I don't have too Scripture says it all, please watch Rob's video.

But where does Scripture say that thew firmament is solid or a dome? The verse you keep quoting, Job 37:18, mentions the sky, not the firmament. Why should I watch a video? Why can you not just quote a verse that teaches that the firmament is a solid dome? I mentioned before that I have looked at every verse in the bible that mentions the word "firmament." Here they are:

Ge 1:6 Then God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Ge 1:7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
Ge 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
Ge 1:14 Then God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
Ge 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth ; and it was so.
Ge 1:17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Ge 1:20 Then God said, Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.
Ps 19:1 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.
Ps 150:1 Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
Eze 1:22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures [was] like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads.
Eze 1:23 And under the firmament their wings spread out]straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body.
Eze 1:25 A voice came from above the firmament that [was] over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne [was] a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it.
Eze 10:1 And I looked, and there in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubim, there appeared something like a sapphire stone, having the appearance of the likeness of a throne.
Da 12:3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever

Not one of those verse mentions the firmament being solid. I know you have sometimes quoted Ezekiel 1:22, which mentions awesome crystal, but that is talking of the colour, not the solidity of the firmament.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 3:20 AM

David Lamb said:
But where does Scripture say that thew firmament is solid or a dome? The verse you keep quoting, Job 37:18, mentions the sky, not the firmament. Why should I watch a video? Why can you not just quote a verse that teaches that the firmament is a solid dome? I mentioned before that I have looked at every verse in the bible that mentions the word "firmament." Here they are:

Ge 1:6 Then God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Ge 1:7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
Ge 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
Ge 1:14 Then God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
Ge 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth ; and it was so.
Ge 1:17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Ge 1:20 Then God said, Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.
Ps 19:1 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.
Ps 150:1 Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
Eze 1:22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures [was] like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads.
Eze 1:23 And under the firmament their wings spread out]straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body.
Eze 1:25 A voice came from above the firmament that [was] over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne [was] a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it.
Eze 10:1 And I looked, and there in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubim, there appeared something like a sapphire stone, having the appearance of the likeness of a throne.
Da 12:3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever

Not one of those verse mentions the firmament being solid. I know you have sometimes quoted Ezekiel 1:22, which mentions awesome crystal, but that is talking of the colour, not the solidity of the firmament.

What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

Job 37:18
This verse gives solidarity to a solid firmament (excuse the pun).

Strong in Him · Saturday at 3:23 AM

Apple Sky said:
What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

You clearly can't answer the question.
Are you realising that you've shot yourself in the foot - again?

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