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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

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I'm certain that others will notice the reticence. There's still a resistance to actually saying the bad things out loud. It needs quite a few posts to tease out a reply that's anywhere in the neighbourhood of a direct answer.

And this is as close as we're going to get.

You are admitting that if Trump tells you that a person deserves to be killed, then that's simply good enough. Extra judicial executions are now the norm. No evidence is needed. No warning required. No due process to be considered.

This is what was common in Argentina under the junta. It was normal in Franco's Spain. It's what happens now in Russia. But even in those examples, and so many more, those ordering the killings made excuses. They hide the truth. They pretended that someone who had disappeared was nothing to do with them. And people in these failed states pretended to believe them.

But now in the good old US of A? The guy in charge boasts about it. And the chilling fact about this? The terrible outcome of this? It's that you literally don't care.

You are no longer on the path to a failed state. You're there already.
And the icing on the cake is that the same guy wants a Nobel Peace Price.
Me thinks his chances are sinking, together with each boat sunk.
 
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Again, here is the part of my post that you failed to quote. You blame the cops, I blame the drug traffickers.

Secondly, I didn’t realize that Australia was such a perfect country. When you vote in the US then you can complain. Until then you are just blowing smoke.
Every country has the right to complain about wrong doing. Which is happening right now. Since we only have the word. Of administration, that will and has lied for Trump. Also we should never just blow up ships, because of possible drug smuggling. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if Trump started blasting potential drugs addicts in America or other countries.
 
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Every country has the right to complain about wrong doing. Which is happening right now.
Yep except for Australia ;)
Since we only have the word. Of administration, that will and has lied for Trump. Also we should never just blow up ships, because of possible drug smuggling.
Read my post 29.
Of course I wouldn't be surprised if Trump started blasting potential drugs addicts in America or other countries.
Let me know when that happens.
 
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Yes. No different than a a drone blowing up a guy trying to plant an IED in Iraq.
Or a truck carrying drugs crossing the border. Or a house in Seattle from which dealers operate. Yeah, we know you think it's OK to summarily execute them.

That's your position. Thanks for explaining it.
 
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Or a truck carrying drugs crossing the border. Or a house in Seattle from which dealers operate. Yeah, we know you think it's OK to summarily execute them.

That's your position. Thanks for explaining it.
Sure bro. Let God sort them out.
 
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Now he says…

Trump says he is not considering strikes within Venezuela

WASHINGTON, Oct 31 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Friday denied he was considering strikes inside Venezuela, appearing to contradict his own comments from last week and amid intensifying expectations that Washington may soon expand drug-trafficking-related operations.

On Friday, when asked by reporters on Air Force One if media reports that he was considering strikes within Venezuela were true, Trump said: "No."

It was not immediately clear if Trump was ruling out future strikes inside Venezuela or simply saying no final decision had been made yet.

Senator Lindsey Graham, a senior Republican lawmaker, on Sunday said Trump had told him the administration planned to brief lawmakers on military operations against Venezuela and Colombia when he returned from his trip to Asia.
Trump returned to Washington on Thursday.

A U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the military had provided a range of options, including strikes against military facilities inside Venezuela, such as runways.

Maduro asked for help from Russia, China and Iran.



 
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Ok so what charges would you bring against the military and under what law?

There's quite a few actually. Something I think about between the killing.
 
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Like which ones?

Sorry, I am not about to get myself purged. Several conventions on war are online and have useful information.
 
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Sorry, I am not about to get myself purged. Several conventions on war are online and have useful information.
Purged? You are the one that brought but it up. If you want to make a case then you are going to have to get a bit more specific.
 
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I dont assume this is legal. Summary execution certainly does not accord with any US legal principles Im aware of that deal with suspected criminals.

But lets stipulate youre right, and it is legal. Do you defer to the courts on what is correct and moral?

I do the same thing you do. I defer to the courts on what is legal. Of course there are times when I disagree with the courts. Just like you do. Do you ever disagree with the courts?

Morality is another matter entirely. I don't defer to courts on matters or morality.
 
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Questions for all people who cheer the sinking of the boats:
do you think that people suspect of crimes need a fair trial?
Do you still believe in "innocent until proven guilty"?
Should the Central Park Five have been executed as rapidly as possible?
 
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Senator Lindsey Graham, a senior Republican lawmaker, on Sunday said Trump had told him the administration planned to brief lawmakers on military operations against Venezuela and Colombia when he returned from his trip to Asia.
Trump returned to Washington on Thursday.

Yea, maybe the Trump Administration can explain their "security strategy" for moving an aircraft carrier from Europe/Middle East to Venezuela!
 
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The drug smugglers and narco terrorists really do want to kill Americans. I'm thankful to the Lord Jesus Christ that this shipment of illegal drugs was found and stopped at the border.
No, they don't. Just the same way tobacco sellers or car manufacturers want to kill their costumers. It happens -inevitably - but their goal is to make profit, not killing people.

FYI, fentanyl killed 72 776 people in 2023 (Are fentanyl overdose deaths rising in the US? | USAFacts)

Tobacco kills 480 000 Americans every year (Burden of Tobacco Use in the U.S.)
Cars killed 39345 people in 2023. (https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/nhtsa-estimates-39345-traffic-fatalities-2024)
Why don't we shoot car manufacturers and tobacco farmers?
 
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Summary execution is not justice as we conceive it in the Christian west.
Going by the number of christians here that cheer the summary executions, it is part of christianity.
 
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The drug smugglers and narco terrorists really do want to kill Americans. I'm thankful to the Lord Jesus Christ that this shipment of illegal drugs was found and stopped at the border.
A good job by the CBP.
1) It show that you don't need to sink boats at the first sight. Intercept the ship and arrest the smugglers.
2) I hope they will spend a long time behind bars.
 
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And not a single casuality on the side of the US navy.

It's like those narco-terrorists aren't even trying.

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I do the same thing you do. I defer to the courts on what is legal. Of course there are times when I disagree with the courts. Just like you do. Do you ever disagree with the courts?

Morality is another matter entirely. I don't defer to courts on matters or morality.
First off, my point was not whether this is legal or not. Its that summary execution is not how justice should look in the Christian west. (And please dont compare this to an incoming missile or other immediate peril. Thats just insulting that you think people would fall for that. This like suspected drugs in the trunk of a dealers car.)

Second. Are you sure the courts have even weighed in on the legality of this? Citation?
 
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If you cant understand the example as written then I can't explain it it any clearer.
Your example of violence being inflicted on me as somehow being the same as an addict hurting himself is bad. If that is your clearest explanation, then you may as well give up since you just said you can't do better.
You are entitled to your opinion on how many times. But you can't use scripture to support that. It doesn't not apply.
I can and it does.
My opinion is we can and should put a limit on it. But lets move on. We aren't going to agree on that.
Okay.
What we can agree on is that we should help people. That's something we can find common ground on.
I hope so
Obviously I don't since I said we should help them. Why would you say such a thing?
You just said we should help them a couple of times, then stop if they relapse yet again.
I think you get the point, but just want to be argumentative.
No, I don't agree that your emotional appeal to my being beaten by my husband has any relevance to an addict inflicting harm to society. I think its a weird obsession that says way too much about you and nothing whatsoever about me.
Yes it absolutely harms others. Do you need an example?
Absolutely? Not even close unless you want to argue that any imperfection harms others. An example would be a single instance of harm, which does not prove a rule as counter-examples can also be proffered.
No I want an answer. Let me clarify. Do you seriously believe that no one but the addict is harmed by the drug trade?
No, nor have I ever made that argument, seriously or flippantly, which is why I assumed it was rhetorical. I'm baffled as to why you're even asking such a thing.
I don't believe its murder.
It's murder. ;
Its always justice to kill those who's actions are deliberately built to cause death of others.
Customers dying is not the goal of drug dealing as customers are an essential part of the business model. Shooting missiles at boats does have the specific goal of the death of others.
 
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