Are we only able to believe the Bible is true, or can we KNOW its true.

We can know after we have the Spirit of God in us.
And better if we were filled with the Holy spirit.
Is like an easy conclusion to make: well i met Jesus and the Holy spirit, Gods presence, so..... the bible is all true.

Well the problem mostly arises with God's creation. The Bible describes a specific creation God created, but science has presented a different creation that contradicts the account given in The Bible.

So with that as a base, people come to also disbelieve other areas of The Bible.

JohnB445 said:

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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Perhaps when someone meets the Lord Jesus then they will know if they are condemned or not.

We can defenitely know, the same Holy spirit that interacted with the disciples etc, can interact with us, in wonderful ways.

Not the same. Because of false teachers and so on, things changed.

Jesus clarified very well, how the men oof Israel did NOT KNOW THE FATHER, as they were LIARS, but Jesus was NOT LIKE THEM, but KNOWS THE FATHER, and KEEPS HIS SAYING.



John 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.



HEREBY DO WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, if we keep HIs commandments. ( JESUS TESTIFIED TO US THAT HE KNOWS THE FATHER AND KEEPS HIS SAYING.)

IF SOMEONE SAYS THEY KNOW HIM AND DO NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, THAT IS A LIAR. ( as Jesus kept HIs word, we are to KEEP HIS WORD, the love of God is then PERFECTED/HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE ARE IN HIM.)




1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.





The LITTLE CHILDREN have heard antichrist shall come, and they know it is the last time by there being MANY ANTICHRISTS.

But we have instruction from the Holy one and we KNOW ALL THINGS. We KNOW THE TRUTH, and that NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH.

THE LIAR DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST, HE IS ANTICHRIST. (JESUS TOLD THE MEN OF ISRAEL HE WOULD BE A LIAR LIKE THEY ARE, IF HE DID NOT KNOW THE FATHER AND KEEP HIS SAYING.)




1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.



THESE THINGS WERE WRITTEN TO US CONCERNING THOSE WHO SEDUCE US (MANY FALSE TEACHERS/MANY ANTICHRISTS IN THE WORLD NOW.)

BY LETTING THAT WHICH WE HEARD FRM THE BEGINING ABIDE IN US, WE SHALL CONTINUE IN THE SON AND IN THE FATHER.

THE ANNOINTING WE HAVE RECEIVED OF HIM ABIDES IN US, THE SAME ANOINTING TEACHES US OF ALL THINGS, AND IS TRUTH, AND IS NO LIE.

NOW THE LITTLE CHILDREN ARE EXHORTED TO ABIDE IN HIM THAT WHEN HE APPEARS WE MAY HAVE CONFIDENCE AND NOT BE ASHAMED (UNBELIEF/NOT KNOWING HIM) BEFORE HIM AT HIS COMING.

IF WE KNOW THET HE IS RIGHTEOUS (IF WE KNOW HIM) WE KNOW THAT EVERY ONE THAT DOES RIGHTEOSNESS IS BORN OF HIM.





1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.



WE PERCEIVE/BELIEVE/LMOW THE LOVE OF GOD, BECAUSE HE LAYED HIS LIFE DOWN FOR US, AND WE SHOLD FOR THE BROTHERS.

THE LITTLE CHILDREN ARE TO NOT LOVE IN WORD OR TIONGUE, BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH. ( NOT IN A LIE AS THE MANY ANTICHRISTS NOW IN THE WORLD/WHO DENY HIM AND DO NOT DO AS HE SAYS AND WALKED.)

HEREBY THE KNOW THEY ARE OF THE TRUTH, AND SHALL BE ABLE TO ASSURE THER HEARTS BEFORE HIM. ( AND NOT BE ASHAMED BEFORE HIM AT HIS COMING/OUR HEART MUST NOT CONDEMN US, AS GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS.)

IF OUR HEART DOES NOT CONDEN US, WE HAVE CONFIDENCE (FAITH) TOWARDS GOD AND WHATSOEVER WE ASK ( IN FAITH/KNOWING HIM/ASK ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.) WE RECEIVE OF HIM, BECAUSE OF DOING WHAT IS PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT ( IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE THE ,LORD WITHOUT FAITH/MUST BELIEVE HE IS A REWARDER OF THOSE WHO DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM.) KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, THAT WE SHOULD BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. (AS HE GAVE US COMMANDMENT AND DID FOR US.)

HE THAT KEEPS HIS COMANDMENT DWELLS IN HIM, AND HE IN HIM, AND HEREBY WE KNOW HE ABIDES/DWELLS IN US, BY THE SPIRIT WHICH HE HAS GIVEN US. ( BY BELIEF IN THE TRUE TESTIMONY OF HIS SON.)




1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

JohnB445 said:

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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If the Bible is true, then any society that follows it should rise above the rest.

Now take away the Bible from that society. It should fall.

This is playing out in the West.

What goes on in the word is irrelevant, the same as our bodies decaying, is irrelevant, we look inside and up not on the earth.



Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

JohnB445 said:

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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In a round about way, this post is speaking about doubtful faith in other words , double mindedness. That being said, it could be just a matter of the flesh driven manipulation of truth. Not all commentaries are alike as a matter of fact, only one of the many , many commentaries given for a particular verse is actually correct. This is why we must seek and find , discern careful and rely on His Holy Spirit to guide us in all truth.
Doubt should have no part in a Christian's walk. We have a Helper.

True faith and knowing are deeply connected.

Be blessed

James 1:6-8
"But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways."

2 Timothy
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

JohnB445 said:

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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What can we know? is a question that has been asked for centuries, and we have an assortment of answers. To know the Bible involves a number of different matters. But just knowing with certainty anything at all requires a commitment to what we see as truth coming down to us from God Himself, regardless of whether we even recognize that there is a God. He is the source of all ultimate truth.

So, all that comes into our minds is the product of divine revelation who communicates to our minds something called "truth." We live by this truth every day, whether or not we know it is God providing the "certainty" that goes along with "truth."

From our perspective, fragmented as we are by sin, we are able, if we are helped, to see the overall picture presented by the Bible that we are born in sin and need God's help to recognize truth properly. So the "sin" element of the Bible is consistent with our own problem with knowing "truth." And the need to fix our relationship with God, as indicating in the story of Israel, is also consistent with our recognition of the problem of sin.

As well, the NT solution to the problem of sin is also consistent with the message of th Gospel, that we need Christ to fix this problem of sin in an eternal, final way. The explanation of the Gospel in the NT letters is perfectly rational in this story such that from Genesis to Revelation the account appears consistent and true.

We tend to need to verify facts all through our life, inclding our recognition of the cohesion of the biblical books. This is simply the reality we see in our own lives and in the lives of others. Truth is a constant verification process with a certain humility that goes along with the need to question truth.

We don't have to regress, in philosophy, to the point where Descartes asked if he only knew that he recognized his own existence from his own thought. Again, it is divine revelation that impresses upon us reality and the very means of verifying truth--it is not something we concoct on our own. We've been given eyes and the senses, and we merely have to operate them consistently, discounting the errors of our ways.

It is important, then, to put into practice what we know is moral. And it is when we experience the results of moral applications that we can know the reality of God and His truths. We do, and so we are spiritually blessed. We don't do and we remain spiritually blind.

But what we do is based on our willingness to apply our senses to what is moral and consistent with the God who impresses truth upon us from Himself, and not from ourselves. We must simply awaken to truth and to God, and to then live in the world He reveals to us from day to day.

Many are called and few are chosen.


As for those who say they are a Christian now, it is unlikely.


What is the best example of all of the testimony, of loves of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedience, unthankful unholy, with no natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontInant, fierce, despises of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures moRe than lovers of God, having only a form of godliness, but denying the power ?


HOW COULD IT EVER BE EXAMPLED BUT BY THE FORUMS OVER MANY MANY YEARS, DAY IN DAY OUT FROM MORNING TILL NIGHT, WHAT A PERFECTLY COMPLETE EXAMPLE, IT COLD BE NOWHERE LSE TO SEE IT ALL AT ONCE AND BY ALL.



2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

JohnB445 said:

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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Evidence for the Bible's truth

• Fulfilled prophecy: The Bible contains prophecies that have been shown to come true over hundreds or thousands of years, providing evidence of its divine origin.
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• Scientific and historical facts: Many scientific and historical facts found in the Bible have been confirmed by external evidence, supporting its reliability.
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• Unity and endurance: The Bible's unity is remarkable, as it was written by over 40 authors across different continents and time periods but maintains a consistent message. Its endurance through centuries of attempts to destroy it is also seen as proof of its divine protection.

JohnB445 said:

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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It is the Holy Spirit who gives one to know that Scritpure is indeed the word of God, from the mind of God, speaking the truth of God.

JohnB445 said:

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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I see some interesting answers. To believe you need faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That word is rhema in the Greek the "spoken word of god" So you can't get by on someone else's faith you have to have your own personal experience with God. Part of this hearing are events that convince you.

1 Corinthians 2:4-5 (ESV)
4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

Romans 15:18-19 (ESV)
18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;

Acts 1:8 (ESV)
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

You need to undeniable see the power of God. The woman at the well saw it through prophecy, others saw various signs and wonders. Most often it is a conviction of the Holy Spirit for sin and God speaking to your heart for a need of Jesus. Faith is often given where the word of God is preached. Love too is the motivator from God to us, or from a believer who uses the gifts of the spirit.

I myself accepted Jesus as a kid at a vacation bible school. But I never saw the power and really did nothing but turn from God, thinking he must just be a construct used by elites to maintain power for themselves. When I finally saw the Spirit of God doing something tangible, I was transformed. The Holy Spirit does not stop either, it continues to show stuff all the time. From revelations in the word, to guiding my path, to every once in a awhile something supernatural. The fruit of the Spirit too is supernatural. Many think a "power church" must always have miracles. Hopefully yes, but when I first encountered the power of God it was by the amazing love that I felt when I went to certain church. Just be careful, as some fake the Spirit of God with weird doctrine or things done in the name of God that are really from the flesh or even demonic. Ask God though, he is not going to send you a stone if you ask for bread. I pray you can take it to the next level that your faith would rest on the power of God. I could share dozens of examples of seeing the power of God at work.
I will say too that any Christian wishing to experience more of the power of God, just needs to partner with God in seriously trying to help and love someone else. Praying, witnessing, giving and reaching out beyond your natural abilities to meet a need.

Some too might think I am prideful here. Perhaps, but a Christian can do nothing on their own. Besides because I have been backslid before, I know too well the difference between cold, warm, and hot. God bless!

JohnB445 said:

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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The bible is for born again Christians. It only becomes true and real inside of us after we are born again, not before.

JohnB445 said:

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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One place to start in this question of yours is to perhaps do a comparative word study of the difference words for "know" (i.e. different forms of 'know') that are evident in the New Testament Greek.

We might also do a contextual reading/study of the ways in which the terms belief and faith are used as well in the New Testament.

Obviously, some amount of prayer and fellowship contribute to our sense of 'knowing' the Lord and thereby having faith, but we might want to keep in mind that having faith and having confidence in the Gospel message, the Kerygma of the Church, don't have to have a mathematical type of certainty. If we 'know' the Lord and have 'faith,' we'll be carried along by the Holy Spirit even through moments and times in which we might question or feel doubt.

Our "knowledge" of anything Spiritual comes from our having the indwelling Holy Spirit.