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Charlie Kirk & Christianity
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I thought that war was supposed to be over on day one of his new administration.
Donald Trump has repeatedly said he could settle the war between Russia and Ukraine in one day if he’s elected president again.
Donald Trump has repeatedly said he could settle the war between Russia and Ukraine in one day if he’s elected president again.
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I guess it depends on what context you look at Kirk. He was political and Christian. But I am not sure they mix. I mean its hard to speak about Christian beliefs and values in todays society fullstop even if your not into politics.
In the past people could testify or proclaim their beliefs and this was echoing the braoder society because it was more God centered. Then Christianity was seen as just one of many beliefs in the public square where all beliefs were tolerated.
Now Christianity is like a trigger for a growing number and especially young people. So Kirk being able to more or less go into the lions den of secular ideas and politics was an amazing achievement. He had constant death threats. I could only imagine that someone who persists in putting themselves in such a situation had tremendous faith that he knew anytime he could be taken out.
In the past people could testify or proclaim their beliefs and this was echoing the braoder society because it was more God centered. Then Christianity was seen as just one of many beliefs in the public square where all beliefs were tolerated.
Now Christianity is like a trigger for a growing number and especially young people. So Kirk being able to more or less go into the lions den of secular ideas and politics was an amazing achievement. He had constant death threats. I could only imagine that someone who persists in putting themselves in such a situation had tremendous faith that he knew anytime he could be taken out.
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I think the framing of Kirk in terms of the political and the Christian is a false analogy. Selecting out specific comments as a representation of the whole person is wrong. A person can be a Christian and hold a misinformed opinion.
But if we just look more generally by the actions then we can see that at the very least Kirk was also engaging with people who opposed his beliefs. Regardless of which Christian was sitting there expressing Christian beliefs in such an environment will trigger some. If not many in a climate this is basically designed to hate Christian values in an increasing progressive culture.
This is evidence in that its not just Kirk but a growing number of those who hold similar beliefs. This was happening well before Kirks death.
But what I think has happened in relation to Christians is that this has impacted them and even frightened them. Not just Christians but anyone who held a similar belief or opinion. And we have seen the rise in political violence.
Kirks death was just a symptom of something bigger. A culture wide divide and war on ideological beliefs about how society and the world should be ordered.
In that sense I think this is causing Christians to rethink their beliefs. Or rather reprove their beliefs in that they are either for Christ or with the world. But also that they ensure to be as close to a good example of Christ in that we have seen that violence begets violence which is completely contradictory to Christ. In a time where Christianity is being tested those who are truely with Christ will become like Him.
But if we just look more generally by the actions then we can see that at the very least Kirk was also engaging with people who opposed his beliefs. Regardless of which Christian was sitting there expressing Christian beliefs in such an environment will trigger some. If not many in a climate this is basically designed to hate Christian values in an increasing progressive culture.
This is evidence in that its not just Kirk but a growing number of those who hold similar beliefs. This was happening well before Kirks death.
But what I think has happened in relation to Christians is that this has impacted them and even frightened them. Not just Christians but anyone who held a similar belief or opinion. And we have seen the rise in political violence.
Kirks death was just a symptom of something bigger. A culture wide divide and war on ideological beliefs about how society and the world should be ordered.
In that sense I think this is causing Christians to rethink their beliefs. Or rather reprove their beliefs in that they are either for Christ or with the world. But also that they ensure to be as close to a good example of Christ in that we have seen that violence begets violence which is completely contradictory to Christ. In a time where Christianity is being tested those who are truely with Christ will become like Him.
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