Is President Trump Corrupt? Three Stories.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 11:04 PM

Vambram said:
Biden is the worst, and the most incompetent, and the most corrupt president in the USA since WWII.

Chesterton said:
Not to mention probably the most racist.

That’s all well and good but what does that have to do with Trump’s corruption?

Does Biden being the worst and most incompetent and corrupt and probably racist president since WWII somehow make it ok for Trump to be corrupt as well?

Larniavc · Wednesday at 3:41 AM

Dale said:
I stand by my belief that taking a bribe does not qualify as an official act, so whoever does it should face the full consequences of the law.

Agreed.

Lost4words · Wednesday at 3:47 AM

Arent the majority of 'politicians' corrupt?

Postvieww · Wednesday at 7:01 AM

NxNW said:
The Republicans who investigated all 14,000 pages of bank records couldn't find anything illegitimate at all, which is why Biden was never impeached.

The question was what LEGITIMATE service did Biden provide for the millions from Ukraine and China.

NxNW said:
You should stop trying to felon. Biden with false accusations. He's a far better man and President than Trump the felon.

Yes Trump was convicted in a kangaroo court by a soon to be felon prosecutor. The hunted has now become the hunter! Enjoy the karma display.

Hazelelponi · Wednesday at 7:24 AM

GoldenBoy89 said:
Who do you find to be a reliable source? Maybe we can work backwards from there.

Fox

Hazelelponi · Wednesday at 7:34 AM

Richard T said:
OK I will rate it optimistic though it seems opportunistic to me, that some pay to play schemes are in play between Trump and Qatar. I remember too, how Carter got quite a bit of money from the Saudi Arabia.

No. This was to demonstrate seriousness.

"Trust us" doesn't work with those who have a rocky record.

Qatar is serious so we are giving a few things a shot, if it works out it will lead to an actual good relationship with Qatar for the foreseeable future that can benefit both of our nations.

Just so you know, all presidents accept gifts - Hillary even tried carting some of hers out of the White House with her when Bill left the White House (a crime to steal from the American people).

They accept them on behalf of America and then the gift stays with the White House or eventually a museum depending on the gift.

Granted most are not planes, but nations giving other world leaders gifts is a normal thing. Pay to play is something else entirely.

Trump will not be allowed to take the plane home with him and future presidents will be able to employ it's use as they see fit. It's not Trump's plane.

Pay to play is when cash changes hands that has nothing to do with the American people, like The Clinton Foundation getting millions "donated" to them from foreign countries and then suddenly Hillary is selling our Uranium to the donor county - that type of thing. The type that enriches the politician under the table is pay to play.

An open gift, even one as large as a plane, is simply a diplomatic overture from one nation to another.

We would like things from Qatar and they would like things from us. A diplomatic overture is acceptable in such situations, and usually expected. We don't attend a dinner empty handed, let alone meet with a foreign dignitary if it can be helped.

NxNW · Wednesday at 8:37 AM

Postvieww said:
The question was what LEGITIMATE service did Biden provide for the millions from Ukraine and China.

The question is what evidence of corruption was found? The answer is: nothing. Biden was exonerated by the House.

Postvieww said:
Yes Trump was convicted

We agree on that much.

Postvieww said:
by a soon to be felon prosecutor.

In other words, Trump was convicted, and the prosecutor was not?

Postvieww said:
The hunted has now become the hunter! Enjoy the karma display.

I'll enjoy the exoneration when it happens (just like it did with Biden)! Meanwhile, Trump is a felon.

Dale · Wednesday at 9:53 AM

Hazelelponi said:
No. This was to demonstrate seriousness.

"Trust us" doesn't work with those who have a rocky record.

Qatar is serious so we are giving a few things a shot, if it works out it will lead to an actual good relationship with Qatar for the foreseeable future that can benefit both of our nations.

Just so you know, all presidents accept gifts - Hillary even tried carting some of hers out of the White House with her when Bill left the White House (a crime to steal from the American people).

They accept them on behalf of America and then the gift stays with the White House or eventually a museum depending on the gift.

Granted most are not planes, but nations giving other world leaders gifts is a normal thing. Pay to play is something else entirely.

Trump will not be allowed to take the plane home with him and future presidents will be able to employ it's use as they see fit. It's not Trump's plane.

Pay to play is when cash changes hands that has nothing to do with the American people, like The Clinton Foundation getting millions "donated" to them from foreign countries and then suddenly Hillary is selling our Uranium to the donor county - that type of thing. The type that enriches the politician under the table is pay to play.

An open gift, even one as large as a plane, is simply a diplomatic overture from one nation to another.

We would like things from Qatar and they would like things from us. A diplomatic overture is acceptable in such situations, and usually expected. We don't attend a dinner empty handed, let alone meet with a foreign dignitary if it can be helped.

Hazelponi: “Trump will not be allowed to take the plane home with him and future presidents will be able to employ it's use as they see fit. It's not Trump's plane.”

That is where you are wrong.

MSNBC says that the “gift” of a “superluxury” jumbo jet from Qatar “created a legal, ethical and political mess.” “The same administration’s official line has also been that the not-at-all-free jet will apparently head to his future presidential library.”

Nobody knows much it will cost to refit this Trojan Horse for Presidential use, and it will not be available to the next President.

Republicans block effort to keep ‘free’ Qatari plane out of Trump’s post-presidency hands

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republicans-block-effort-keep-free-qatari-plane-trumps-post-presidency-rcna222478

Hazelelponi · Wednesday at 10:11 AM

Dale said:
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Dale said:
Hazelponi: “Trump will not be allowed to take the plane home with him and future presidents will be able to employ it's use as they see fit. It's not Trump's plane.”

That is where you are wrong.

MSNBC says that the “gift” of a “superluxury” jumbo jet from Qatar “created a legal, ethical and political mess.” “The same administration’s official line has also been that the not-at-all-free jet will apparently head to his future presidential library.”

Nobody knows much it will cost to refit this Trojan Horse for Presidential use, and it will not be available to the next President.

Republicans block effort to keep ‘free’ Qatari plane out of Trump’s post-presidency hands

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republicans-block-effort-keep-free-qatari-plane-trumps-post-presidency-rcna222478

Clearly it's time to stop watching that news channel.

If we can keep presidential gifts out of Hillary's hands post White House we can certainly keep them out of Trump's.

There's no legal or ethical issue at play. Any gift worth over a certain dollar amount belongs to the people and as such stays with the Federal Government.

A plane qualifies. Under the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act, gifts from foreign leaders are considered the property of the U.S. government if their retail value is over $480. It's over a certain dollar amount I believe so small things like a bottle of scotch or a cigar can be drank or smoked.

There's no ethical issues at play, not from a legal perspective. There's no potential for a loophole big enough to fly a jet through. We have laws surrounding gifts, and we do accept them.

This is how we are forging this new relationship with Qatar and that's fine, it's working and this doesn't accrue to the benefit of anyone. The overture being a plane was Qatars choice.

Chesterton · Wednesday at 12:19 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
That’s all well and good but what does that have to do with Trump’s corruption?

Does Biden being the worst and most incompetent and corrupt and probably racist president since WWII somehow make it ok for Trump to be corrupt as well?

What Trump's corruption?

GoldenBoy89 · Wednesday at 1:02 PM

Chesterton said:
What Trump's corruption?

The one in the OP. So far the only defenses have been “nuh-uh” and “Biden was also bad”.

Chesterton · Wednesday at 1:11 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
The one in the OP. So far the only defenses have been “nuh-uh” and “Biden was also bad”.

Post #28 - There's nothing that needs defending.

Richard T · Wednesday at 3:18 PM

Hazelelponi said:
No. This was to demonstrate seriousness.

"Trust us" doesn't work with those who have a rocky record.

Qatar is serious so we are giving a few things a shot, if it works out it will lead to an actual good relationship with Qatar for the foreseeable future that can benefit both of our nations.

Just so you know, all presidents accept gifts - Hillary even tried carting some of hers out of the White House with her when Bill left the White House (a crime to steal from the American people).

They accept them on behalf of America and then the gift stays with the White House or eventually a museum depending on the gift.

Granted most are not planes, but nations giving other world leaders gifts is a normal thing. Pay to play is something else entirely.

Trump will not be allowed to take the plane home with him and future presidents will be able to employ it's use as they see fit. It's not Trump's plane.

Pay to play is when cash changes hands that has nothing to do with the American people, like The Clinton Foundation getting millions "donated" to them from foreign countries and then suddenly Hillary is selling our Uranium to the donor county - that type of thing. The type that enriches the politician under the table is pay to play.

An open gift, even one as large as a plane, is simply a diplomatic overture from one nation to another.

We would like things from Qatar and they would like things from us. A diplomatic overture is acceptable in such situations, and usually expected. We don't attend a dinner empty handed, let alone meet with a foreign dignitary if it can be helped.

Yes, there could be some benefits in the future as far as the base goes. I still think it is pay to play, it just is very complicated to follow all the moving parts. The plane, for instance is destined to Trump's library from my understanding. No one else will ever use it. Also Trump dealth with Qatar some golf resort. These invesetment deals are not always at market rates. President Bush's deal to get a stake in the Texas Rangers was such a deal. I imagine the terms are so good that the Trump companies have virtually no risk.
"The Trump Organization's $3 billion investment in Qatar's Simaisma project marks a significant step in its global real estate expansion. This project, located approximately 40 kilometers north of Doha, will feature the "Trump International Golf Club" and "Trump Villas," spanning roughly 790,000 square meters. The development includes an 18-hole championship golf course, a clubhouse, and high-end branded villas with direct beachfront access."
https://www.turkiyetoday.com/business/trumps-company-to-invest-3b-in-qatar-for-major-golf-resort-project-152171/

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GoldenBoy89 · Wednesday at 3:24 PM

Chesterton said:
Post #28 - There's nothing that needs defending.

So you point to a post where you tried to defend him?

Chesterton · Wednesday at 4:58 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
So you point to a post where you tried to defend him?

To a post where I showed the OP was just putting his spin on innocent things.

eclipsenow · 2025-10-24T06:10:21-0500

Vambram said:
It's obvious that you have an anti Trump bias.

When Trump is again in the news for all the wrong things, and someone dares post about it, the oh so predictable and boring reply from MAGA is...

"So you don't like Trump? Tell us something new?"

For some reason it's the commenters problem that they would like a president that not only kept the rules, but followed squeaky clean procedures to make sure it looked that way as well.

Trump does anything but! Insinuates that he owed Egypt. What was that for? During his campaign against Clinton the first time around? His campaign was out of money, and it looked like it was game over and then suddenly Trump was flush with 10 million dollars to loan his campaign.

Oh when there was a massive withdrawal of 10 million dollars US cash from the Egyptian central bank. Oh and the other interesting little detail is that this was all being investigated by the FBI... Until Trump got sworn in. Then a Trump loyalist was installed in the FBI and the whole thing got squashed.

How transparent can you get? Not!

The Australian ABC flagship current affairs program 4 Corners also had a program on Seeking Trump's Billions - about how this president has the most massive conflict of interest of any American president ever.

Seriously with the January 6th protests, with he's corrupt business dealings over the years, with his treatment of women, with his evading tax in New York City, with his pressuring the Georgia election official to find 11,780 votes...

I'm amazed the guy isn't in jail!

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truthuprootsevil · 2025-10-24T14:40:25-0500

Hans Blaster said:
It will be a short conversation. You can throw in GW Bush while your at it and get all of the 21st century presidents. In fact the only president or VP in my life time that I can think getting paid personally as president is VP Spiro Agnew, who was taking cash bribes in the WH complex. (Mostly as I recall for his work as Governor of Maryland.) Even Nixon at most tried to stretch the definition of "taxable deduction" when overvaluing his papers before donating them to the National Archives.

We are talking about receiving money *as President*, not after, and not campaign donations.

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